Most people know one of the ‘advantages’ of the PS3 is that you’ve always been able to install an alternative operating system, but with the advent of the new slimmer PS3 we found out that the OtherOS option has been removed by Sony. The official line at the time was “The new PS3 system will focus on delivering games and other entertainment content, and users will not be able to install other Operating Systems to the new PS3 system.” whilst that obviously makes sense there is some new information which has since been removed that may tell the whole story.
But first a little bit of a history lesson, the ability to install another operating system (OS) first came to the world of PlayStation back in 2002 when a Linux kit for the PS2 was released, through the kit, users were able to turn their PS2 in to a personal computer. With the advent of the PS3, Sony enabled the option to install an alternative OS right from launch with the settings menu featuring the option to install ‘Other OS’ and with the use of handy guides like the one featured here on TSA, it was possible to get your PS3 running with a fully fledged operating system. Unfortunately as a personal computer it was limited by Sony’s Hypervisor which didn’t allow the OtherOS to access the GPU severely hindering 3D performance meaning it was impractical as a gaming platform (for obvious reasons) but was also sluggish as a basic PC.
Anyway, back to perhaps the whole story as to why the OtherOS option has been removed from the new slimmer PS3, The Register is reporting on a post over in the official PlayStation 2 Linux Community forums which stated:
The reasons are simple: The PS3 Slim is a major cost reduction involving many changes to hardware components in the PS3 design. In order to offer the OtherOS install, SCE would need to continue to maintain the OtherOS hypervisor drivers for any significant hardware changes – this costs SCE. One of our key objectives with the new model is to pass on cost savings to the consumer with a lower retail price. Unfortunately in this case the cost of OtherOS install did not fit with the wider objective to offer a lower cost PS3.
The message has apparently since been deleted:
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This explanation that the time, effort and associated costs needed to maintain the Hypervisor is again perfectly reasonable but it is also being suggested that Sony were secretly annoyed at the use of PS3’s by private company’s, research groups and even individuals stock piling PS3s in racks to provide releatively cheap processing power. Remember Sony sell the PS3 at a loss, and profit is only generated for the group through sales of games.
So it looks like the real cost savings for Sony in removing the OtherOS option is not only in maintaining the Hypervisor but in cutting out a number of sales which do nothing for Sony’s bottom line, and this has to be a good thing all round. For those that must accumulate racks of PS3’s the good news is that the forthcoming FW3.0 will not be patching out the OtherOS feature from the existing models.
Source: PlayStation2 Linux Community, Via: The Register. Thanks: 3Shirts.
CaptainMurdo | 30/08/2009 14:14
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Never really thought about using the Other OS feature so I wouldn’t be bother if they came round to my house any ripped the feature from my console. Just as long as they did it carefully.
Watchful | 30/08/2009 14:23
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I always thought that all the ‘PS3 Supercomputers’ were great PR from the PS3. Surely that PR is worth more than the money they’ve lost on those sales. Look at how much great press the PS3 Gravity Grid got to name just one. I’d be surprised if the number of PS3s in use for those was equivalent to more than a week or two of Japanese sales.
For those of you who have installed Linux, Sony have also said that Firmware 3.0 will not remove your ability to run your ‘other OS’ on your PS3 Chub.
slates16 | 30/08/2009 14:52
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i agree, i think it made it look a really powerfull machine!
theshockwave | 30/08/2009 15:40
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Maybe not to the average person though. Despite people having described it so many times, I still don’t understand what it is and why you would want it. That means there is a liklihood that lots of other people, especially parents, don’t know or care about it. So it shouldn’t affect sales much, if at all.
cc_star | 30/08/2009 15:51
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It wouldn’t really have effect sales at all, and don’t forget each sale actually costed Sony $100-$200 so by cutting out these sales they’re losing less money.
However seeing a rack of PS3s solving complex computational problems could have been seen as a promotional tool, but obviously one that Sony was unwilling to continue to underwrite.
Ripping of Blu-ray movies was also a common practice of some PS3 linux users, and although its possible on other pieces of hardware it doesn’t llok good to the Blu-ray group of companies if its biggest backer (Sony) has a piece of hardware which aids this ripping without the need for a PC/Linux set up with a still relatively expensive Blu-ray drive built in.
paxpacis | 30/08/2009 16:16
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ripping blu-ray ah.. there is the real problem for Sony
Danny-c-2k9 | 30/08/2009 14:36
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but why did they remove it? its stupid, never really used it but they shouldent remove it some people like it and its a reason for people not to but a ps3 slim, btw cant wait till tuesday lol
X_Yoshy_X | 30/08/2009 15:15
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there not removing it. there just not adding it to the slim
and also who buts there PS3? i certainly dont
3shirts | 30/08/2009 15:31
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Even if Sony did remove this feature in a future firmware, those rack mounted PS3 grids aren’t using the PS3 OS anyway, they will be running a very basic linux distribution because it is the number crunching power of the Cell that they want. I doubt they’ve ever seen a firmware update (or even the XMB) since the install was done!
I ran Ubuntu on my PS3 for a while (more out of interest than anything else) and apart from the lack of GPU support and (at the time) unusable wifi it was a very competent platform. Smooth and everything working properly and if you know your way around Linux, very powerful
I always imagined it would be most useful as a second PC in a house with only one but a few people who might want to use it,
cc_star | 30/08/2009 15:54
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Using Firefox on OtherOS is a better experience than the PS3’s own browser, so it does have some uses to end users beyond that of being a slightly sluggish computer.
teflon | 30/08/2009 16:21
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I know a guy who lived through Hurricane Ike in Texas. The power surges had blown out hit main computer and a lot of stuff was underwater. It was only cos he had YDL on his PS3 that he was able to get onto the internet and let further flung peoples know that he was OK.
Also, fixstars, who make YDL and support it, also now make a very very powerful video encoding app. Just hook up your PS3 with Gb ethernet and it can encode streams up to 25Mbps uncompressed in real time. That’s in the region of Blu Ray right there.
On the downside, the software that enables this is pretty expensive, but just having the possibility to even try it out is undeniably cool.
Finally, for all the wonderful flexibility that the PS3 now has as a media centre (well, outside of MKVs anyway), for quite some time it wouldn’t play WMVs and plenty other formats. In a word, it was limited. So if you wanted some really powerful media centre capabilities you’d have to boot into Linux and use VLC or something like that.
Of course, over time Sony fixed that particular flaw.
I think its disappointing to see it go, but for 99% of the market, it won’t be missed.
colmshan1990 | 30/08/2009 16:51
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That guy in Texas could just have used the standard PS3 browser for that. You don’t need Linux to surf the net on the PS3. It just makes it easier…
teflon | 30/08/2009 22:11
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true, but the PS3’s browser genuinely sucks. If Sony made the built in browser easier to use and more friendly with better support for various plug ins, then Linux wouldn’t have the attraction it does.
Erroneus | 30/08/2009 18:28
Wanted "Trophy Hunter" but was too late.
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Now Sony did a really really smart thing by supporting Linux officially in the PS3, because this means a lot of hardcore homebrew guys doesn’t need to hack the PS3 to run Linux. Now this is really a win/win for Sony, because this means that the guys who want to run warez on the PS3, has to do hell of lot more work and so far .. and thank god for that, they really haven’t succeeded.
Now if we jump 1 years into the future, we might begin to see some of the hardcore homebrew guys trying to hack the PS3. While it might not lead to USB solutions, it might lead to modchips, which would be nothing but problems.
I think Sony could be hurting them self in the end, which the lack for linux support in the slim model.
Lernatix | 31/08/2009 19:48
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You can already play PS2 backups on a PS3 if you know how,
won’t be long before PS3 backups are possible.
Neither have anything to do with linux support.
TctclMvPhase | 30/08/2009 19:15
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What about the potential ramifications this will have for piracy? One of the primary reasons consoles get hacked is to put other such OSes on to them.
Also, if they are removing the hypervisor, wouldnt this also remove one of the lines of defense that the PS3 has against piracy?
I understand the move, but this just seems like it is asking for trouble. I have an inkling that before this time next year someone will have an alternate OS back up and running on a PS3 Slim, and this time it will have access to the RSX…
LeoSayer | 30/08/2009 22:21
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Agreed, removing the hypervisors surely opens the console right up to hacking which in my opinon is a bad thing as it inevitably leads to piracy….
gurglesletch | 31/08/2009 18:07
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I hate piracy as it hurts the industry
mrguitarmann | 01/09/2009 00:09
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I hate the industry as it hurts the artists.
Lernatix | 31/08/2009 19:47
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Thankfully I got a launch model, I can have linux and my copy of Tourist Trophy.
vouzamo | 01/09/2009 09:20
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I would miss the linux feature. I have YellowDog Linux with Snes9x for emulation using the PS3 sixaxis. Awesome feature!
iNsAnE_gAmInG | 01/09/2009 19:33
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Yeah the OtherOS thing held much potential, but mainyl for people trying to hack the PS Store or make copies of Blu-Rays and PS3 games, so I guess it’s in Sony’s very best interest to remove this kind of threatening feature.