Next Gen XBox Secures Its GPU
The 8th generation news begins...Published 14/10/2009 at 16:19 by Gastos84
Reports are coming in that GPU manufacturer, AMD/ATI, have secured a deal with Microsoft to supply them with their next-gen (8th generation) console’s chip technology. Aside from the fact that this proves the Next-Generation is well under way, it also means that backward compatibility may be more than possible on the new XBox. The company already build the 360’s Xenos GPU.
There are no details in regards to the chip’s appearance but some are expecting it to be a 28nm part. This news has also been accompanied by reports that both Microsoft and Sony have now settled on 2012 as the year we will see any Next-Gen products. Microsoft had apparently earmarked 2010 for their new console but it would seem that the 360, and the PS3 for Sony, will remain their priorities for a few more years.
Source: Fudzilla via Edge Online
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Raen | 14/10/2009 16:20
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Won’t be 2010, not with Natal.
Gastos84 | 14/10/2009 16:22
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Probably one of the reasons they delayed to 2012.
Quinlank | 14/10/2009 22:15
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I can’t see Natal doing very well to be honest. I’d be very surprised if Microsoft had enough confidence in the product to warrant using it as an actual ‘console substitiute’.
I don’t think they were ever likely to launch in 2010 in the first place. Where did the idea they might even come from?
Amphlett | 14/10/2009 16:26
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Hope the chip doesn’t get too hot…
nickerton | 15/10/2009 16:44
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28nm is promising.
Reiterpallasch | 14/10/2009 16:27
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Good thing that they’re not rushing to release new consoles just yet.
MeDDers | 14/10/2009 16:27
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I’ve selected PS3 at the top why am I still getting Xbox news?
I’m not interested in Xbox news.
I’ve never owned one and never will.
Please let me just have PS3 news
Gastos84 | 14/10/2009 16:30
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It’s on there because the article also gives news about Sony’s 2012 future plans.
BlingOnMyWrist | 14/10/2009 20:38
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Aye. Also, I’ve never seen negative TSA points??
kevhardy | 15/10/2009 07:35
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Good spotting Bling. Negative points? I never knew there was such a thing. How on earth did that happen?
Tuffcub | 14/10/2009 16:28
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TBH Sony and MS are going to have to pull out something truly spectacular to encourage upgrading. PS3 is already going to be 3D so that wont be it, your cant do much more than dolby 7.1 surround sound, Blu Ray wont be going anywhere soon, and that leaves graphics – way to early for Ultra HD so everythings still going to be 1080P at most – which a PS3 does anyway. Both consoles will have motion control by then – so I dont see what they can do to make me want to be a PS4 or 720.
Gastos84 | 14/10/2009 16:31
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Agreed. I also think, in regards to Sony’s next-gen plans, that 2012 seems extremely early.
Redwink | 14/10/2009 17:44
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You’re totally right. And think about the high development cost. No one are going to afford it.
cam the man | 14/10/2009 18:20
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They may announce it in 2012 but it won’t be in the shops until long after that – especially in Europe.
Jamie Solo | 14/10/2009 19:12
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Didnt sony have a 10 year plan for the PS3 too?
a inferior race | 14/10/2009 19:42
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The 10 year plan is how long Sony are going to support the console. The PS3 came out before the end of the PS2s decade.
Raen | 14/10/2009 16:32
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Actually Toshiba have a higher than HD res TV scheduled for around 2012.
skibadee | 14/10/2009 16:42
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stick with the ps3 till 2013/14 but i bet they don’t want to be left behind in terms of there being a new 720 & no new Sony product
Tuffcub | 14/10/2009 16:57
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And how long has it been since HD TVS were released until the became common place? SKy HD launched in January 2006 – 3 years ago, the first HD Tvs were available years before that.
Roynaldo | 14/10/2009 16:39
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Bloody hell, I agree with you.
*goes for a beer*
jimmy-google | 14/10/2009 16:43
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If its a late 2012 release it would be 6 years after the ps3 launched in Japan which would be about right. Might slip to 2013. Sony won’t want to release too far behind the other consoles unless the release dates become very spread out. Late 2012 would be 7 years after the 360 and it wouldn’t be a suprise if the new xbox launched then.
We could yet see wii HD in 2010/11; xbox 720 2012 and then ps4 2013/4 and then another nintendo only a couple of years after that though multiformat developers would do everything they could to stop theme spreading out.
Ryan1991 | 14/10/2009 16:51
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Yeah and seeing as some people have only just paid £250 for a Slim or like me an 80gb, it will take an unbelievable upgrade to even get people thinking about buying a PS4 or X720 or whatever they’re gonna call it.
Tuffcub | 14/10/2009 16:53
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Exactlly – the new consoles are going to be at least 300-400 quid, unless they having something really new and exiting theres little point splashing the cash
KwietStorm | 14/10/2009 17:39
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HD resolutions dont make better graphics, a more powerful gfx card makes better graphics, and PS4 will obviously have a better card than PS3.
FRUIT0FDOOM | 14/10/2009 17:47
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Exactly – Look at SD: Xbox and PS2 looked great! But Xbox 360 and PS3 look better in SD than their formers. Better graphics (more polygons/better shaders etc) make better graphics, not “just” HD or 3D
BadBoyBoogie | 14/10/2009 22:12
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I can’t see myself ‘upgrading’ from my PS3 for a good few more years yet!! I can’t really imagine it’ll be worth an immediate upgrade, because of the likely high cost against a marginally superior technology.
Averna | 14/10/2009 23:16
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2012 is a few years away. I could see myself buying a new Playstation in 2012. Hopefully they get a better SDK out, or at least better platform support going for the new one.
In all honesty, I think 2012 is a bit early, but when you look at the competition, it does make sense. Sony doesn’t want to be late to the party again, it cost them a LOT of market share and I cant see them launching much later than the new xBox this time around. I just hope they don’t push out an inferior product out, like Microsoft did with the 360, just to be out in time.
DoodlesROCKS | 14/10/2009 16:32
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I think backwards compatibility has to be a must on the next gen consoles! I wasn’t too happy with the fact my ps3 doesn’t support ps2 games, but now I’ve heard news their thinking of releasing the ps2 library on PSN!! Doubling profits?
skibadee | 14/10/2009 16:38
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the games will be a bit better with hd & stuff i hope so any way
Roynaldo | 14/10/2009 16:41
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If they dont BC ps3 to the ps4, heads will roll.
jimmy-google | 14/10/2009 16:44
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I’d rather that it wasn’t included and you could pay to have it added from launch as I don;t actually want or need it.
deadwelsh | 14/10/2009 16:45
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I’m quite happy to buy my fave games again through the store, as long as they are a decent price, and have had a HD makeover.
I didn’t and wont be buying SF2 at £12, although the images look good, its very limited compared the recent fighters, and even the animation of the backgrounds is still shoddy.
For a game like MGS, nearly £8 is a rip off when it is essentially a £3.99 priced game. Admittedly it is one of the best games for the PS1, for a HD one I would maybe pay £10
I will def be tempted by the GOW trilogy as i believe the first 2 games are getting the HD treatment, and i haven’t played any of them yet
skibadee | 14/10/2009 16:56
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GOW trilogy is a defo i will get it preordered from gamebasment as it is not out in Europe till early 2010
skibadee | 14/10/2009 16:58
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gamesbasement
ShovellyJoe | 14/10/2009 19:28
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There’s no plans to release it in Europe at all as far as I know. Correct me if I’m wrong, though.
skibadee | 14/10/2009 23:29
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in play magazine the latest issue it has been confirmed for just after Christmas it says on page 14 for Europe
Bilbo_bobbins | 14/10/2009 16:32
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can I ask why it’s 8th Generation, sorry for being stupid….I honestly don’t get it.
Gastos84 | 14/10/2009 16:34
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PS3, 360 and Wii’s are 7th Gen.
I am currently working on an article about Generations so keep your eye open
Dafro1989 | 14/10/2009 16:37
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It’s the 8th generation of consoles to be release, with PS3/360/Wii as 7th, PS2/Xbox/Gamecube as 6th, PS1/N64/Saturn as 5th etc. I’m sketchy beyond like forth, which I believe was SNES/Megadrive, but I could be wrong, as my first system was a Master System at 3 :p
stingraz | 14/10/2009 16:38
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Bring on the PS4, none of that Xbox rubbish!
stingraz | 14/10/2009 16:38
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i’m jus waiting for series of insults & agreements…
theshockwave | 14/10/2009 16:48
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It appears you won’t get it.
stingraz | 14/10/2009 16:53
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NO WAY HOSE! i won’t ! get the PS4 i will, ‘Xbox’ what the hell does that stand for in the first place, seeing as the actual console is shaped like a deformed rectangle! Playstation. Simple name, actually meaning something! Not X’box’!
stingraz | 14/10/2009 16:54
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if it was called the XRectanglewithcircularedgesi might have been tempted to get one , oh and if it wasn’t so .. yawn.!
Raen | 14/10/2009 17:02
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Why does the name have to mean something? Look at most products. My monitors aren’t branded “ViewerPorts”, my toaster isn’t branded “BrownerStation”, my washing machine isn’t called a “SpinSonic”. What does the brand name have to do with anything? Hell look at cars.
omega | 14/10/2009 17:11
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come on, MS can’t create new ideas, they just rip off good ideas in a cheaper way (windows, xbox, zune etc. etc.)
So it was Play_Station and Game_Cube. The took the word ‘Box’ cuz it is like ‘cube’, and they could’t use the word ’system’ (which is similar to ‘Station’) cuz of NES. They couldn’t take ‘play’ or ‘game’ word, and could’t create new word, so just puted an ‘x’ here.
a inferior race | 14/10/2009 17:29
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So what is the 360 part a rip off then. I don’t know who first intorduced analogue control but eith Ninty or Sony ripped the other off. Microsoft and Sony both ripped off Sega for online gaming. All that happens is a company creates something and others have to mimic or adapt in order to survive.
Blayney | 14/10/2009 19:02
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The Xbox stems from the fact that it’s a box, and then because it was designed to use the Direct X family of programming interfaces.
Direct X Box
Xbox
xdarkmagician | 14/10/2009 19:12
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The “X” in Xbox stand for “Generation X”. Because of the rise in popularity of extreme sports at the time people sometimes associate generation X with “Generation Xtreme”. M$ took this to name their creation the Xtreme Box or Xbox. Their marketing was focused heavily around one group of people, generation X. They sponsored extreme sporting events and formed partnerships with extreme sports drinks. When they named the 360, they named it after a move that revolutionised the extreme sports- the 360. Because they believed that their machine would revolutionise the gaming industry. They explained the 360 name when someone asked them why they didn’t name the 360 the xbox2 or the public popular “x-squared” the scientific equation, where the Big X has a little 2 on the top right.
Rabid-Coot | 14/10/2009 19:22
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I remember the prototype xbox from 1999/2000 it was literally an x shaped console.
Averna | 14/10/2009 23:20
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Microsoft rip off crap all the time. Expect the next xbox to be called the Super Xbox GenesisCast!
twain155 | 15/10/2009 09:22
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Wasn’t the 360 part also in response to the codename of the Nintendo console being revolution i.e. 360 degrees
deadwelsh | 14/10/2009 16:39
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2012 will prbably be the time they announce the new consoles, but i doubt we will see them ineurope at least until very late 2014/early 2015.
Completely Agree with tuff club in that it will take something really special to want me to part with oodles of cash when i will expect to be playing my ps3 for another 5 years minimum.
@ Balram, i have accounted for 6 gens so far, with the new ones being 7th, from spectum/c64 > Nes/MSys > MD/Snes >PS/N64 > PS2/XBOX > PS3/ 360. Yuo can probably count really early machines like amstrad, bbc, and even the binatone as being 1st gen, i may be wrong tho
deadwelsh | 14/10/2009 16:40
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meant @ bilbo!
stingraz | 14/10/2009 16:44
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Bout the Nintendo GameCube? or the wii?
stingraz | 14/10/2009 16:45
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as you counted the Nintendo 64, then not the Gamecube or Wii?!
deadwelsh | 14/10/2009 16:46
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wii is really ps2/xbox gen, with a clever control device, game cube was junk anyway
stingraz | 14/10/2009 16:57
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no, you are compltely wrong there! the wii HAS got terrible xbox graphics in it, but it has ‘next generation motion controls in it – which i think another two companies are trying to copy at the moment anyway! Also, the Gamecube was great – did you own one – if not you should have – end of.
deadwelsh | 14/10/2009 17:06
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so you agree that the wii is basically same gen as xbox/ps2, with a clever control device?
i dont for one second doubt that any dev could create a ps2 game with motion controls if Sony thought it was worth investing in and releasing.
The only thing the wii has done is enlarge the games playing demographic, but i wonder how many of their millions of units worldwide are nothing more than little unused white boxes now gathering dust because of lack of decent games.
on the subject of the gamecube, you are right, i never owned one, and after playing one i never did want one. at best it was a mid generation console which did nothing better than any other competitor console already out.
omega | 14/10/2009 17:14
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Wii is the only true nextgen console cuz it brings something NEW, not just higher level of graphics.
PS3 games could exist on PS2 with just lowered graphic level.
deadwelsh | 14/10/2009 17:37
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so really what you are saying is that a new control scheme is the only thing that makes a system next gen.
What has really changed from the first joypad then?
You could really play any of the current games on any older gen console if the graphics were simply dumbed down
omega | 14/10/2009 17:52
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SOMETHING new. And surely modern hardware is welcome.
If there’s nothing new, just a power, we HAVE to call a ‘next gen’ what we’ve got.
When I put new CPU in my computer I’m not making it ‘next gen’.
jimmy-google | 14/10/2009 16:47
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Late 2014 would 9 years after the 360 launched – I just can’t see Microsoft waiting that long to release a new console even with Natal coming out late 2010 – it’ll buy then an extra 2 years at best.
boris184 | 14/10/2009 16:48
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Hopefully the new gen playstation will come with more than 1 hdmi port, multiple 1080p screens would be a good starting point!
( My first ever post on sixthaxis btw, please be gentle)
theshockwave | 14/10/2009 16:50
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Welcome to the family.
boris184 | 14/10/2009 16:56
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Thanks
I always check this site for gaming news but never thought of signing up until now!
Averna | 14/10/2009 23:30
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I honestly cant see that happening (the multiple screens anyway). They are struggling to deliver 1080p native res at decent fps now. They would have to have a much longer lead time to deliver an affordable console they could run two.
Honestly Im expecting something that would just be another iteration on the current console, but more powerful and honestly, that would be enough for me.
I would actually much rather see Sony working on improving the PSN, but there is no way they are going to hand Microsoft another headstart into the market.
Raen | 14/10/2009 16:52
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On video game generations:
First Generation: Pong Style games
Second Generation:Atari 2600
Third Generation: NES, Master System, Atari 7800
Fourth Generation: SNES, Megadrive
Fifth Generation: Saturn, PlayStation, N64
Sixth Generation: PS2, Xbox, GameCube
Seventh Generation (Current): PS3, Xbox 360, Wii
stingraz | 14/10/2009 16:59
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Yes, thank you! Somebody actually realises that the Gamecube and Wii are actual Consoles , unlike some one , … not saying any names though “DeadWelsh.” Seventh generation for the Wii, not psn generation.
stingraz | 14/10/2009 17:00
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great list and find by the way.
Bilbo_bobbins | 14/10/2009 17:08
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cheers Raen, I have had nearly everyone of those apart from Saturn and Gamecube and before the Atari, didn’t realise there was a console before Atari?
Raen | 14/10/2009 21:04
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Well they weren’t what we’d call consoles, it was just stuff like Pong.
Averna | 14/10/2009 23:32
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Yeah, two joysticks wired into an independent monochrome screen. I had one of those at some stage.
mynameisblair | 14/10/2009 17:11
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I really only got into gaming at the forth generation.
Raen | 14/10/2009 21:05
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I got in at around the third, I had a Master System, it was awesome.
G_The_Enemy14 | 14/10/2009 21:24
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I started at the 5th with my PSOne
BadBoyBoogie | 14/10/2009 22:18
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So what generation do the C64 and Spectrum fit into?
BadBoyBoogie | 14/10/2009 22:22
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Sorry, I think I’ve just answered my own question!! I was also thinking where do the Amiga and Atari ST fit in, then it occured to me that they were actually computers, and that the generations you refer to are strictly for consoles!!
Tries to think of an emoticon for embarrassed!!!!
bunimomike | 14/10/2009 23:34
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Shit!… When I was uber-young, I remember playing that T-Rex maze game that Charlie Brooker went on about on the ZX81. My brother programmed it into the damn thing. It was (as Charlie mentioned) actually quite scary!
hazelam | 14/10/2009 16:57
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one thing i’ve learned from this gen, never buy hardware at launch.
it’s cheaper and more reliable if you wait.
boris184 | 14/10/2009 17:06
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This may be true, but when all your mates are playing on the latest console don’t you feel like you are missing out! I had to wait ages before i got my PS3 because I wasn’t working at the time and needed to save up.
If a new playstation come out now i would probably buy it on release regardless of potential hardware faults as long as it had some very kool new features
omega | 14/10/2009 16:57
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Hope they release next xbox soon, so it will be able to show PS3-level graphic and multiplat games will look better both on x720 and PS3 =)
retroedward | 14/10/2009 17:00
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I’ve been into consoles since the NES, and it amazes me that every time a new generation is announced people start talking about backwards compatibility, and complaining when it doesn’t eventually become available. The PS2 + 360 were the first (mainstream) consoles to ever even offer this feature.
If you want to play your old games, why not play them on your old console ?
Bilbo_bobbins | 14/10/2009 17:10
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yep I have never understood that either. I have nearly every console since Atari and always played old games on the older console. Not bothered about playing old games anyway, wahts the point in buying the newer system only to play the older games??
boris184 | 14/10/2009 17:17
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I have to disagree, surely its not that hard for them to put in backwards compatibility if they planned it from the start. Sometimes i fancy playing an old game game with me mates and to do this i need to set up my old console which is just annoying! Their is no way im leaving all my old consoles connecting up to my TV, that will just cause loads of clutter in my room!
a inferior race | 14/10/2009 17:34
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The reason I want BC is so I don’t have to have another device set-up crowding my TV stand and when a sequal comes out I sometimes like to play the previous game to refresh my memory of the story.
mynameisblair | 14/10/2009 17:13
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Sony are developing the PS4 too, but it is inevitible that the Xbox 720 (or whatever it will be called) shall release before the next PlayStation.
Averna | 14/10/2009 23:38
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yes and no
If you were Sony, wouldn’t you dump resources into R&D so the competition doesnt have a massive lead into the market, like they did this time around. I hope Sony are doing this anyway, they took a massive hit by letting Microsoft launch so far in front of them and they still haven’t recovered, imo, although they are getting there rather quickly these days.
I think its a safe bet to say the xbox will launch before the Playstation, but I wouldn’t expect the gap to be very long this time around… or I at least hope you can preorder the new playstation when the xbox launches.