When masses of people start queuing at ASDA for a video game, there is something going on. FIFA 10 was among a number of titles being priced at almost 50% off RRP: an offer that drew in the crowds. The latest title to receive the same treatment was WWE Smackdown Vs Raw 2010, which was priced at £25 for the 360 version. Tesco were selling the PS3 version for the same cost.
A lot of people suspected foul-play and called the supermarket chain ‘bullies’. ASDA’s game-buying manager, Duncan Cross, has stated that they have been selling games at a loss. Their official line is that they are listening to customers and offering ‘value for money’.
ASDA’s reduced prices may only last for a weekend or so, but is this tactic having a detrimental effect on the industry? The Managing Director of Chips, whilst speaking to GI.biz, certainly thinks so. He has been more than vocal in his opinion of the supermarket, and their strategy, and has said that it is causing his business damage; not only in sales but also in the way they provide products.
It’s no longer just a situation of looking at a title, working out how good it is, working out what market it is, and then buying a quantity for your customer base. Now you’ve got to think, who’s going to trash the market, and if they trash the market what effect is it going to have on my stock holding?
Obviously Chips aren’t going to be the only people that this will damage. But I can’t help but think if ASDA, and other large supermarkets, start throwing their weight behind the games market in this way, sooner or later other retailers will stop stocking titles until they can compete on price. If they can’t compete, they lose business, they go under, and ASDA are left standing over the carcasses of once-great game chains; and what if they do become a lone physical retailer?
Sure, this is the worst case scenario, but it’s a scenario that’s not completely ridiculous. If every major game launch saw similar pricing tricks, it wouldn’t be long before they ruled the roost. Our choice as consumers will vanish and we will be at the mercy of how passionate these massive companies are. Then of course there is the price issue. If ASDA ever get to the stage whereby they become our only option, do you think prices would stay that low? I seriously doubt it.
Okay, so ASDA are a business. I understand that. But selling at a loss over the launch weekend? I’m no Rupert Murdoch, but that’s not good business! Duncan Cross concluded his defense of their strategy by saying:
…it would appear the majority of customers feel that ASDA (and indeed the other supermarkets) are offering terrific value for money when compared to other retailers…
You are selling at a loss! You are selling at 50% off RRP! You are offering value for money, I can’t say any different, but in my opinion what you are also doing is helping to push an already struggling industry into the ground – an industry that has millions of devoted fans and an industry that employs countless people.
bunimomike | 28/10/2009 10:23
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I’m at a loss here. If Asda buy the games in at £30 per unit (let’s say) and choose to sell them as a loss leader (something that’s happened for decades on many products)… how does that impact the games industry? The wholesaler/supplier will still get their money and, in turn, people further up the chain will already have theirs. Or am I missing something.
bunimomike | 28/10/2009 10:25
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Sorry, forgot to say… I appreciate the likes of GAME will find these prices truly horrifying but I to find GAME’s prices truly horrifying. Equally, I’ve never had any sort of allegiance with a PC/Console store (real world, not online) as they’re always overpriced and the staff are usually uninformed.
skibadee | 28/10/2009 12:39
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same here to charge 44/45 quid for a game is not right game are always overpricing i feel
bajere | 28/10/2009 13:39
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I totally agree with you on both statements mate!
If ASDA want to take a loss and give me a game for £25 then let them carry on…all this about hurting the industry is crap! the developers are still getting the same amount of money, maybe even more as people will buy new instead of pre-owned at £25.
All the game retailers can wither and die for all I care as they charge to much. I have no problem going to ADSA, Sainsburys, Tesco’s or Morrisons for my gaming, let the supermarket fight for our money. And the issue that people always bring up about choice is getting less and less true. My local ASDA has LOADS of PS3,360,wii,PSP and dsi games to chose from. It gets better each year. So much so that i go there 1st for a game. Recently i have purchased from ASDA Bedminster: FIFA10, Megadrive Collection, Fight Night R4, Guitar Hero, Guitar Hero ds, afro samuri, Tigerwood with wii+, sports resort, and many others…all cheaper than GAME or Gamestation, and i can pick them up when im buying my booze! Brilliant!
Gastos84 | 28/10/2009 10:27
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If ASDA sell at a loss to get the initial business, companies such as GAME, HMV, Gamestation and the like will lose business and therefore could potentially go bust. This will then reduce our choice as consumers.
Aside from that; one or two retailers will not be able to sustain a whole industry.
Bilbo_bobbins | 28/10/2009 11:24
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lots of online retailers though? I haven’t bought a game from a “Shop” for a very long time. I can’t even remember when I did.
skibadee | 28/10/2009 12:40
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i doubt very much that game will go bust they make most of there money on secondhand games trad in
skibadee | 28/10/2009 12:41
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trade in
Anthony72 | 28/10/2009 19:21
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sorry mate no sythampy for game the robbing gits. They have been ripping people of for years and charging what they like as well. I traded a game with them and they offered 13 pound for it. It was a week old and sold for new at 35 pound. Didnt do it went to cex and got 25 traded in. Anything that upsets game is fine by me.
lemming64 | 28/10/2009 17:53
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The problem is as described above. If ASDA keep this extremely aggressive pricing up then it will put other games retailers our of business. Eventually we end up with a monopoly on a product which is not good for the consumer in any way.
Basically the point is you need to look at the bigger picture, sure it’s great to pick up a new game for half price today, but tomorrow you might be paying more than ever.
Raen | 28/10/2009 10:25
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They use it as a loss leader, people turn up and they hope they buy other stuff or, if it’s sold out, buy other stuff. Makes selling it at a loss good business. Black Friday in the US is infamous for this practice.
On the “will it crush the industry” issue? Maybe. It depends how long they keep it up, and if they extend it to more titles. However most physical retailers are making their “real” money on pre-owned games now. It may well drive indie shops under, but most of them have fallen away anyway under competition from Game and GameStation. Considering the only two major high street options are owned by the same group anyway it’s not like we have a huge wealth of choice as it is. Even if Game were to go under (unlikely) stores like HMV will still stock games.
Gastos84 | 28/10/2009 10:31
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HMV’s venture into a larger games retailer has been caused by the lack of CD sales, with people preferring downloads. HMV is a company in a bit of financial trouble as it is. If this continues for a long period of time, I wouldn’t bet on HMV.
Raen | 28/10/2009 10:36
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They are larger, but still not large. The average HMV is maybe 50% DVD, 35% CDs, 10% games and 5% misc. (Their website puts technology and games at 24% of the business, although that doesn’t say specifically what technology includes. Games are still lower than music or DVD).
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HMV will suffer the same fate as my local Zavvi has. They use to charge £30 and over for games that were launched with PS3, despite the fact they were a year old. Nobody seemed to bother with them and only popped in there to pick up Blu-Ray’s if they were on offer or something, as Blu-Ray’s are expensive wherever you go.
My local Gamestation has around half of the amount of PS3 games it did have, so there’s little choice when I look in there. It used to be constantly busy and filled with selection, now it’s closer to living in the Fallout universe when in there.
Raen | 28/10/2009 10:42
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Zavvi didn’t go under due to any lack of business, Zavvi went under because their distributor was part of the Woolworths Group. Woolworths went under, Zavvi had no distribution, hence no stock, hence no income, hence no business.
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But I spoke to a staff member when they had there closing down sale and he told me Zavvi were going to go bust very soon inevitably, due to the reasons I have said above. I’m sure the Woolworths thing did play a major role in the going down, however there were other contributing factors according to the guy I had a chat with.
Raen | 28/10/2009 10:51
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They might have gone under eventually, but that was more part of the economy at the time than anything. I do remember rumours that they were suffering problems, but there’s always that sort of thing going on with retailers, particularly with floor staff. The reason they died was entirely due to the distribution thing, it was right before Christmas so they had no hope of getting another distribution deal at that time of year.
Bilbo_bobbins | 28/10/2009 11:28
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the reason Virgin sold off their CD/DVD business was because it was making a loss, this was before the Recession.
bunimomike | 28/10/2009 10:34
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The smartest thing said so far. All of us (of a certain age) have already seen the independent stores disappear from our respective town/city centres and I felt zero love for the likes of GAME, HMV, etc selling at an inflated price most times. I don’t want to sound horrible but bollocks to them. Now they know what it’s like to be squeezed.
After I calm down I may well offer a more rational reply.
Ok, calmed down already. NONE of this will impact the industry or am I being crazy? Each unit will have a cost price to the retailer (Asda might get the price down a smidge due to numbers) so the industry itself is still well looked after. The only problem I see here is other retailers (like GAME) feeling the pinch.
Raen | 28/10/2009 10:41
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Retailers are part of the industry. Additionally if dedicated stores get squeezed out it will have somewhat of an effect on the development side of the industry. Supermarkets are unlikely to carry smaller titles, they’ll only carry the top 10 or 20 and ‘budget’ titles, the same as they do with CDs and DVDs. Obviously online retailers will pick up some of this, but they won’t pick it all up and given what we’ve seen recently the odds are some smaller studios would go under with one distribution option cut off to them. Additionally it would have a very significant effect on games with packed in peripherals.
flatspikes | 28/10/2009 13:41
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Here in NE England we have two decent independent chains CHIPS and Grainger Games… both seem to thrive on the pre-owned market but still manage decent deals on new titles too. Its very rare for me to buy anything from HMV or GAME/Gamestation… CEX is another good choice if you have one local! Short term offers from non specialists (ASDA) are not likely to have long term implications unless it become standard to sell every new game at a loss….
Watchful | 28/10/2009 10:40
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@Raen, like you say the real profits are to be made on pre-owned. With ASDA getting into that market too (http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2009/08/06/asda-to-enter-pre-owned-market/) combined with their parent company’s (Walmart) buying power and their apparent willingness to sell at a loss to generate publicity and capture market share of key titles is it any wonder GAME Group and the smaller chains are somewhat disconcerted. They see what they did to all the independents happening to them.
Raen | 28/10/2009 10:49
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From what I know of similar moves in the US pre-owned market (this may just be scuttlebutt) the larger superstore retailers aren’t doing as well as the games stores are with pre-owned stuff. I think people are more willing to trade games in at a dedicated games store.
I can understand why GAME is disconcerted, but I think they’re strong enough for now. eBay suffered a similar issue with Amazon when Amazon started listings. The problem is the bigger retailers aren’t focused and will (typically) move on from targeting this area at some point onto something else bigger and brighter. I mean HMV isn’t in great shape, but the supermarkets and online retailers have yet to kill them off. The same holds true of my eBay example.
C_S15 | 28/10/2009 10:26
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Heaven forbid that a company should sell at a loss to increase market share, I mean, what are they thinking?
Gastos84 | 28/10/2009 10:29
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You are feeling sarky today!
I totally understand that they are doing it to increase their market, but what happens when they bully smaller chains out of business? They then hike their prices back up and we are left with no other option. In the long run, this is bad news imo
C_S15 | 28/10/2009 10:44
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I am, sorry! ^__^
In your article, you mention both Tesco and Asda. Thats at least 2 who are still currently competing against each other. And knowing how competitive the supermarkets are, it will take a while for them to fight it out.
One thing I don’t think you mentioned was how it would, if at all, effect online retailers?
Gastos84 | 28/10/2009 10:47
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You are right, it will also effect online. To be honest selling so cheap, and at a loss, will effect anyone who sells games.
Chimpanzee | 28/10/2009 10:27
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Selling certain items at a loss isn’t necessarily “not good business”. I worked at ASDA for a time when I was a teenager and found out they sell a lot of items at a loss. Freshly baked bread is a specific item I remember. The idea is that people will go to ASDA to get their nice, fresh bread, then do the rest of their shopping there because it’s convinient. I’m sure enough people bought other items along with FIFA at ASDA for them to make their money back.
Chimpanzee | 28/10/2009 10:30
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As far as I can tell, this would only have a detrimental effect on the games RETAIL industry. Not the games industry it’s self.
Gastos84 | 28/10/2009 10:33
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But without a solid Retail structure, the industry will suffer
bunimomike | 28/10/2009 10:35
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We have a solid retail structure. A vast array of places online to purchase games from and (finally) offline real-world shops with competitive prices.
Vandix | 28/10/2009 10:37
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Well, when you take in the account that the UK are the second largest Games industry, think a little ahead. When the supermarkets get to be the sole sellers of games, do you think they would stock games that won’t sell good. Basically it would imply that there will be less new IP. Because it would be to risky when you’re not sure if you’d sell enough.
I hope this makes a little bit of sense…
Gastos84 | 28/10/2009 10:38
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But you won’t have if this were to continue. That’s the whole point. Even online retailers won’t be able to compete with losing money. ASDA and Tesco are so huge that they /can/ force people out of business. Let’s not forget that you can go to ASDA and Tesco online too.
Gastos84 | 28/10/2009 10:39
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Thank you Vandix! I was starting to think I was the only one getting it!
BerackyWack | 28/10/2009 10:41
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but Play.com n the likes are always gonna get my business I honestly couldnt ever see those online retailers going under. Also on the high street you have Argos, the supermarkets, Smyths, Toys’r'us.
bunimomike | 28/10/2009 10:42
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But we use the likes of Amazon (the largest player online) … so what’s the difference? Ultimately, most of us are looking for a keen price and decent service. We don’t usually need the sort of chit-chat/care that other products often require.
With my shite internet connection, I won’t be waving the “get everything over to digital distribution” flag anytime soon but it’ll end up one day, I’m sure. For now, I can’t possibly justify £30 for RE5 at GamesBasement when it’s £18 at Play.com. Ouch! If it was just a couple of pounds different I would’ve been fine.
In my ideal world we’d all download from the publishers/studios so they make a far healthier mark-up and cut out the middleman.
Gastos84 | 28/10/2009 10:43
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But Play.com don’t sell at a loss do they? They would be affected too. Why buy from Play at £30 when you can buy from ASDA for £25?
BerackyWack | 28/10/2009 10:49
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i remember last year play.com had a deal of the day and sold FIFA 09 for £20!! a couple of weeks after its release. surely thats at a loss?
Chimpanzee | 28/10/2009 12:21
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Supermarkets aren’t going to start selling all video games at a loss. Say they did this for even 6 releases a year or so, smaller and online retailers would easily survive on other sales, particularly if they continue to provide a service around the sales that supermarkets can’t. And even if it did end up with only supermarkets selling games, this still would have any effect on the games being released. Past the publisher/distributor, the way the games are sold can’t affect the content of a game (except maybe “big-box” games like Rock Band or TH Ride).
Personally, I can’t remember the last time I bought a game (or anything other than food) in a physical shop anyway. The main threat to small retailers is online, not the supermarkets. The loss leader strategy will be less and less effective as more people buy online. ASDA don’t benefit if someone goes on ASDA.com and just buys a game for £20 – they need people in the actual supermarket for it to work and this will happen less and less.
BerackyWack | 28/10/2009 10:35
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When you think about it ASDA are NEVER going to be alone in the selling of video games. ASDA has Tesco as its biggest rival and Tesco were going to sell FIFA 10 for £28 until they found out ASDA were doing it cheaper and so lowered their price to £25. I couldnt care less if GAME goes under their pricing is ludicrous. and for me the best thing is im getting quality games cheap.
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Yeah, I agree that GAME generally suck with there pricing and are not the greatest for trade-ins either. I find Blockbuster are great for trade-ins, as they do not have as much knowledge of gaming as it isn’t the area they specialise in, therefore you can often sell games for either a profit or a lot more than they are really worth in terms of current popularity. I have no problem using the internet for buying games anyway, there are at least five good websites so Gamestation or GAME going bust wont concern me either.
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I don’t like the fact that smaller independent shops will be run out of town by these big supermarket chains, but I have to say, its a big bad world out there and no-one owes you anything.
And particularly in in this instance, ASDA are not wholly to blame, the customer wants it cheap so they go there, they had the choice where to buy from surely?.
I mean TSA has a cheap deals thread as well and ASDA got lots of free advertising in there over the FIFA 10 launch weekend
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It is down to us, you are right, but in these economic times, ASDA know what they are doing. Like I said, once they become a larger player, with fewer competition, these prices will go back up
BerackyWack | 28/10/2009 10:55
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No I dont think you understand how big the rivalry between Tesco and ASDA is. The prices won’t go back up, they will always be competing to get customers in.
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Im fully aware thanks
But IF, these supermarkets do take over, which I said was the worst case scenario, do you not think they will raise prices to make a profit and then compete with each other from there?
BerackyWack | 28/10/2009 11:10
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I’d like to think not, as the whole point of prices so low is to get customers in if the prices were to go up it wouldnt be an incentive to go into the store which is what they really want.
Raen | 28/10/2009 11:14
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It would still be an incentive, there’d be no one else in brick and mortar to compete with them. At that point they only have to undercut each other and not other retailers.
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Has anyone ever heard of price-fixing. ASDA, Tesco and ARLA all price fixed the cost of milk. ASDA, Tesco and other parties also agreed to price fix on cigerettes. They could just as likely price fix for games when they have a significant amount of market share.
illogicology | 28/10/2009 13:37
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Well, on the subject of price fixing I’m not going to have much sympathy for the industry. They’ve been using region coding to fix prices on an international scale for years now.
Dexter17 | 28/10/2009 10:43
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It will put many smaller businesses out of business, but like others said above, business isn’t kind like that.
Eventually there will only be shops like Tesco and ASDA around.
Ryan1991 | 28/10/2009 10:53
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That’s why they need to stop selling at a loss because I hate Tesco and ASDA.
double-o-dave | 28/10/2009 11:20
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I like Tesco – they sold me 24 cans of Strongbow for £10 on Monday! Thats a bargain!
BerackyWack | 28/10/2009 10:47
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Also please note ASDA is only willing to take so much loss, they only order in a limited number of copies to sell at that price so as to limit the loss.
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Which is why it’s only for the initial weekend period. But a weekend is long enough to reduce the income to other retailers by quite a lot.
BerackyWack | 28/10/2009 10:51
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Yh so the time is limited but what im saying is so is the stock. they usually get a maximum of 70 copies of each(PS3 &360) and when they r gone thats it.
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@BerackyWack: That’s very true. However there are roughly 970 Tesco and Asda stores that would stock these titles in the UK. Assuming they get around 70 copies each that’s 67,900 copies, which would retail at say £35 in a normal store. That’s £2,376,500 in revenue for other stores. Even assuming that maybe half of those copies would have sold at the £35 that’s still £1,188,250 in potential revenue lost because of these price cuts. Say they do it for 10 big games a year (pessimistic), that’s £11,882,500. That is a big chunk of change, although only around 1% of GAME’s income. It is a big deal, but not devastating yet.
BerackyWack | 28/10/2009 11:13
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Yh so the 70 copies is for a big store other would get less. they usually only do it for a few big game launches(usually sports franchises) I personally wouldnt mind them doing it for Modern Warefare 2 but they wont! I understand what your saying I just like the fact I am gettin my games so cheap.
bunimomike | 28/10/2009 10:55
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The games industry is going to transform (somewhat) with the likes of the above going on. However, we’ve let it happen to countless other industries in retail over the past few decades. How do we stop this one? Is it inevitable? *thinks of local butchers, etc… all being wiped out* Ok, slight exaggeration but everyone talks about how the high street isn’t what it used to be.
FRUIT0FDOOM | 28/10/2009 11:22
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Well if ASDA and Game are next to each other in the same town and you go to buy a new release, see that in ASDA you can grab the game, some snacks, a few beers and top up your phone, where as at Game you only get the game – where you going to go? As stated already – Game and other retailers are complaining the supermarkets are damaging the industry, but then developers are claiming Game are damaging the industry with pre-owned games. Where it will all go from here i don’t know, jobs will be lost but i really don’t think the games industry will be affected too bad. Lets remember Game and Gamestation are “retail industry” and i’m pretty sure we will still be able to get games should they go bust.
Gastos84 | 28/10/2009 11:29
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Agreed.
But if we look at the long term, would ASDA or Tesco give us the choice that GAME (for example) do? I fear for the lesser-hyped titles that potentially could face a huge financial loss.
This is all thearetical of course
FRUIT0FDOOM | 28/10/2009 12:14
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I think ASDA and/or Tesco would give us better choice once they have a bigger slice of the pie – they would have to ‘cos they would miss out on potential sales. But if/once they get a bigger slice you can bet the prices will go back up! Kill off the competition so there is no more competition then put the prices back up because the consumer will have little choice. Can the pre-owned market keep specialist retailers in the game? Thing is this is all down to “us” the consumer. We should really think hard about our purchases as they will ultimately affect the industry. However, we naturally think about ourselves and go for the most conveinient and best value purchase, with little regard for the wide-spread effects that purchase may contribute too. Hands up – i’m guilty of the latter
Bilbo_bobbins | 28/10/2009 11:22
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I still find it very hard to believe they purchase a game at £25 or more from publishers. Also, why is the industry being run into the ground? I don’t really care if they sell at a loss, if it’s cheap for me, I buy it.
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They don’t, the publisher sells it to a wholesaler who sells it to the store (in all probability). But yes, they do sell it pretty high. I know of GameStation managers who have sold games at £30 and it was selling at a loss.
Gastos84 | 28/10/2009 11:32
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But, in theory, IF ASDA/Tesco took over the market, they may not offer the choice that a game-dedicated shop does. This will then hinder the lesser-hyped games and this will in tirn have a knock on effect as to their income and so on.
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@Bilbo_bobbins
the whole sale price of games is very expensive, lets say you want to open a indie shop in your town:
You buy 20-50 copies of the top 3 games, 10 copies of the remainder of the top 10 games, and 2 copies of the remainder of the top 50 and some back catalogue games, you would find it almost impossible to buy them more than a quid of two cheaper than GAME sell them for, and certainly not more than a fiver
The only way to get them cheaper than this is to buy them in their hundreds or thousands.
Now imagine that all the indies go bust, and town centres only have the big chains and the supermarkets, fair enough you may think you’ve still got a choice, but the big chains also make very little of games, that is why their stores are stacked to the rafters with cheapo accessories, they also have established Trade-In business which prop up their profit and loss accounts, so by no means are the chains immune from going under if the supermarkets keep taking their footfall.
One possible end game could be a big chain going under (remember GAME & GameStation are the same company) and then supermarkets would pretty much have it all to themselves, that is a nightmare world as you’ll suddenly find there are no games available for £25 and you’ll be limited to only buying a Top 20, they’ll be no back catalogue, they’ll be no games that don’t have blockbuster marketing budgets – a cold dark future indeed.
BrendanCalls | 28/10/2009 11:32
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Don’t forget Morrisons, they have been in on this act too only a 1 year ago as Michael pointed out here http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2008/09/10/morrisons-we-love-you/
Watchful | 28/10/2009 11:51
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Yes, all the big supermarkets have their eyes on the lucrative games retail market (http://www.thesixthaxis.com/tag/supermarkets-ruining-gaming-industry/). As they’ve done in many other market sectors once they’ve hammered the smaller competition we’ll see higher prices and reduced choice.
bunimomike | 28/10/2009 11:42
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Thing is, we’re looking at potential intervention from the government (in some sort of legislative procedure) in the long term, aren’t we? Or we’ll end up with 3 or so retail outlets which will sell us absolutely everything! People always want cheap, reliable service so it’s hard not to enjoy the allure of Asda’s pricing right now. What else do we do?
bunimomike | 28/10/2009 11:42
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Gastos84 | 28/10/2009 11:48
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I’m not blaming the people buying the games; In this recession, I can’t blame them. My argument was that if they continue to sell at ridiculous prices, there is a POTENTIAL for serious implications on the industry. None of this is fact and it’s not likely to happen instantly, if at all, but it is a possibility
cc_star | 28/10/2009 12:01
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These supermarket special offer will lead to higher prices and reduced choice, it could end up being bad for the industry (through reduced choices) meaning that unless you’ve got a multi-million dollar marketing budget, you’ll have zero chance bringing a product to market (or should I say Supermarket)
And bad for gamers because not only will it be impossible to buy a product thats not sitting in the Top 10/20 but there won’t be special offers and there will be standard RRP pricing apart from launch weekend special offers.
http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2009/10/28/asda-admit-selling-at-loss/comment-page-1/#comment-95750
Raen | 28/10/2009 12:06
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What about online retail? I have to say I agree with you in general, but online retail is still a very big chunk of the market and whilst it is more split than the UK high street is it still holds a significant sway over what sells, what’s available etc…
cc_star | 28/10/2009 12:13
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Why would anyone buy FIFA for £32.99 from ShopTo or wherever if you can buy it for £25 from Tesco
The same problem exists, websites could go bust just like chains and the indies before them, just because they can’t add very expensive and over-inflated food to the basket.
Anth1888 | 28/10/2009 12:13
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On GAME’s website their games are around 5quid cheaper than instore (tekken 6 is £34.99) whilst instore it is £40. I dont understand why they dont sell them at the same price instore as i end up having a argument with the manager but they always have the same reply “online prices differ” i just dont understand it…
Watchful | 28/10/2009 12:30
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Online prices may be cheaper because of lower overheads. They will also be cheaper because the GAME website has to compete with other websites and to be honest I’d expect that’s probably the main reason.
Last figures I read for online vs bricks’n'mortar was that about a 1/3 of sales are online. Of course, that includes the sales at the online stores for GAME Group, ASDA, Tesco, etc. It would be interesting to find out what the market share of the online-only retailers is.
Raen | 28/10/2009 12:43
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@cc_star: I meant in the long run, particularly Amazon and Play. They offer a pretty large selection of games (far more than the top 10/20 that supermarkets offer) and are diversified enough that they won’t go under and will continue to offer a wide range. Whilst smaller sites may go under, I’m uncertain if they would and the online market would still offer a greater choice.
@Anth1888: 2 reasons. 1) In store pricing is increased because they have more costs. Games have to be shipped to the store, the store need electricity, heating, pays rent and has to pay staff.
2) While they’re under the same banner of GAME they aren’t run by the same staff, don’t have the execs etc… Online sites are often a completely different arm of the business, only loosely related to bricks and mortar
illogicology | 28/10/2009 12:52
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We should all be bothered by this, Supermarkets used tactics like this to gain dominance in the first place. It’s pretty standard supermarket practice. Undercut the competition until they get put out of business, raise the prices because the consumers have no choice but to shop with you.
pitchforkdisney | 28/10/2009 12:05
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Activison are preparing for ‘The biggest game release ever’ with Modern Warfare 2. 5.5 million pounds worth of stock arrived at distribution yesterday. Pallet loads of overpriced FPS. If the worlds biggest software publisher hasn’t learnt any lessons from history and is attempting to price games at exclusive prices, I have no issues with supermarkets making our hobby more affordable. I remember when the Playstation was launched. It’s rival console – The Saturn – had games priced at £50-£60 initially, with Nintendo cartridges at up to £70. Sony pushed prices down on the software to the £40 mark…how much bigger is the games industry now? Still, the biggest publishers don’t see the logic in lower prices mean more sales. Publishers should work with speciallist retailers to allow them to offer the same deals as supermarkets rather than attempting to get their specialists to charge their customers more. Bobby takes the fun away, ASDA puts it back.
Anth1888 | 28/10/2009 12:09
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I agree, Activison have put their prices above the £40 mark, now 40quid is expensive anyway for a game nevermind £45/50. But the thing that is annoying is Activison know that CoD will sell at the RRP price but hopefully chains such as GAME or supermarkets will decrease the price, at the end of the day the company will the lowest price people will go to.
Watchful | 28/10/2009 12:38
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@Anth1888 Activision’s RRP for MW2 is only £5 more than normal for a third party title this generation, £55 vs £50. Generally only first party titles have an RRP of £40.
cc_star | 28/10/2009 12:15
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Disks are easily copied by the million on a production line
Cartridges contain many chips and components making them very expensive to produce, don’t forget when games were that dear, gaming was the pursuit of the bedroom enthusiast, so if it returns to those levels the industry will shrink rapidly back to enthusiasts.
pitchforkdisney | 28/10/2009 12:34
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Yeah and that’s my point. Sega wanted to charge the same price for discs as they’d been charging for cartridges. This is gaming week – but we’re still stuck on the geeky fringes of society as an outcast hobby, one of the main reasons for this is the flippin prices. Tell your girlfriend you’re gonna buy a game and she’s off to buy a pair of over priced Jimmy Choos as revenge. If the prices come down the industry will grow. It’s the publishers that need to ensure their speciallist retailers are around when that happens…or are they cutting the retailers out ruthlessly now because they see a future where they’ll no longer need them?
bunimomike | 28/10/2009 12:19
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Interesting. A few people have said something along the lines of “in these economic times” but how many people will purchase Modern Warfare 2? Even discounted, it’s still an outrageous price compared to other titles. We simply are to blame.
cc_star | 28/10/2009 12:37
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If you pay it, they’ll charge it.
At a less than 2 year dev cycle in comparison to Killzone2’s 4 year dev cycle it would have been significantly cheaper to produce as well – More bonus for Kotick and co then I suppose.
Just ask yourselves who the idiots are though… the answer certainly isn’t Activision who realise people who moan about them make up less than 1% of their userbase
bunimomike | 28/10/2009 12:44
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Completely agree. The moment we actually assess our self-indulgent lifestyles, we might actually see that the likes of Kotick have completely justified their salaries because we’re the numpties funding him! I wouldn’t dare buy MW2. If I think it’s too expensive or I don’t have enough money, so be it. My life will continue and I will still be playing some great games. Just not that one. Wow… is that so difficult?
illogicology | 28/10/2009 12:56
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Most of the moaners I know are still going to buy the game. If the RRP on all games goes beyond £50 I can’t afford to maintain the hobby and I think a lot of people feel the same but then they’ll cry “hard times for the industry” and put the prices up higher.
But that’s the industry unfortunately, when something costs to much and it’s successful they say “well if people are willing to pay it” and when people aren’t willing to pay it they want special treatment to maintain their income.