Today is the day that your 360 gets an update that includes, amongst other, musicier things, Facebook and Twitter functionality (in fact, the update is already live). There’s also word that the PS3 is going to get Facebook functionality, which will undoubtedly result in a rather stupid ‘whose Facebook is better’ fanboy war, which will unavoidably result in espionage in the form of one side’s ninjas sabotaging the Facebook functionality of the other.
Or will it? I don’t know why, but I get the feeling that the millions of mad FPSers are going to spend their time, you know, FPSing, rather than Facebooking. The racers will keep on racing, the singers will keep on singing, the guitar heroes will keep on Guitar Hero-ing.
Do the consoles really need this kind of thing? What exactly is the point when I could quite easily load up a laptop and use the definitely superior website to tell people I’m eating a bacon sandwich? Or use my iPod Touch to update people on my bathroom habits as it happens? Besides, have you ever tried typing with your 360 controller? Unless you’ve got the annoyingly-expensive-for-what-it-is mini keyboard or a USB keyboard your hands are going to detach themselves and scuttle away in disgust. Even the PS3’s controller is unwieldy when typing, though it’s a little better due to having a d-pad that isn’t used during S&M.
Last FM? In my room, I have a PS3 (with Vidzone), Xbox 360, iPod docking station (and two iPods), multiple pairs of earphones, a CD player and two laptops. Guess which one I’m least likely to use to listen to music? That’s right, my 360, simply because it’s evil. No wait, sorry, I can’t say that, can I? Then it’s because of a couple of reasons – the 360’s controller is terrible when it comes to actual menus (either awkwardly use an analogue stick or break my fist due to accidentally changing the menu I’m on with the d-pad multiple times and punching the wall in frustration), and because the NXE is terrible when it comes to actually finding specific things, despite how good it looks.
The only time I ever listen to music through my 360 is when I’m playing a game that I don’t need to actually hear. Trials HD? Stick some Blink 182 on. The Dishwasher? Ashlee Simpson, I think. Wait – what? I wouldn’t even consider turning my 360 on specifically to listen to music. In fact, if I felt like listening to music after turning a 360 game off, I would specifically turn off my 360 and turn on my PS3 – which involves swapping the HDMI lead around, as my TV only has one HDMI socket.
So as you can tell, I would go to some lengths just to avoid using my 360 for anything other than gaming. It’s too awkward. Facebook on the PS3? It’s probably better just because of the XMB and the DualShock 3, in my opinion, but it’s still nothing compared to the website, with a proper keyboard, and it still takes you away from the stuff that matters – the games.
However, my opinion isn’t important – what do you think?
cc_star | 17/11/2009 12:02
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If they’re integrated well then great, but if you have to load up some other bloated crashy piece of software (looking at you PS3 browser) then… no!
When I look at people’s Twitter feed (and presumably FB status updates) quite often they say, just firing up MW2, anyone want co-op?
It’s happening anyway, so why not automate the process?
deadairspace | 17/11/2009 12:05
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Coudn’t agree more – it’s happening already so automate it.
Everything is going social and the consoles can’t fall behind that – some people use PS3s as there main PC as all they require is Internet (not sure about xbox’s). Adding these small functionalities will maybe not increase sales massively but by a small part.
Gamoc | 17/11/2009 12:09
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Automate it? What if I wanna play single player, not coop/multiplayer?
cc_star | 17/11/2009 12:10
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Well presumably it’ll work like Uncharted 2… where it only Tweets (if you want it to) when it connects to multiplayer
Gamoc | 17/11/2009 12:16
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Yeah, but Uncharted 2’s is game-based, not OS based.
djdustb | 17/11/2009 13:13
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Agree with this, the fact is that the latest firmware is all PR and serves no good whatsoever. Once (sorry if) it is used and implemented as an app then it will be great.
GhostViper | 17/11/2009 12:03
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I like the game developer facebook feature on the ps3.
nofi | 17/11/2009 12:08
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I’m quite happy with my consoles moving away from gaming, actually. I quite like things like Vidzone and the PS3’s XMB-based music player, and am looking forward to the Twitter thing on the 360, although I wish it was more integrated and not a separate app.
2ofclubs | 18/11/2009 10:27
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I’m definitely with you on the XMB music player but the one thing I’d like to see is a better music browsing system i.e. similar to the upcoming photo one. It’s just a bit of a pain to have to spend ages scrolling down to get to a particular album. A simple alphabetical system would suffice e.g. when browsing by album have folders in the grid format with the first letters of albums and therefore those relevant albums within. It makes sense in my head.
illogicology | 17/11/2009 12:12
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I see these sort of things as bonuses, not deal breakers. I wouldn’t pick the console based on its facebook integration but I’m not going to say I wouldn’t use it. In my experience, I tend to use these sort of services more when I can get them on my console. I didn’t use the iplayer as much until it was on my XMB either.
haz360 | 17/11/2009 12:13
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I think things like Twitter and Facebook being added to consoles will be a positive thing if they’re implemented correctly, which both the Xbox and PS3 solutions seem to be doing. Plus, they’re free right? So I’d rather have the option to use them through my console than have no choice at all.
shields_t | 17/11/2009 12:19
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Agreed, being given extra functionality without any cost has got to be good, I didn’t expect to use the iPlayer on the XMB but I have.
Deadpixel | 18/11/2009 09:46
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Extra functionality means extra usage of system resources. In terms of the PS3’s hardware capability this may sound silly, but I still remember disussing the huge image size of FW upgrades… This will only expand if these secundary functionalities align with the system core software. I’d really like to see some sort of “Add/Remove application overview” where users can install or remove functionalities like these. I’d like to see my PS3 a gaming console, including some multimedia and browsing functionality, but that’s it. So, no; I don’t like this expansion…
FRUIT0FDOOM | 17/11/2009 12:14
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Agreed with the social networking apps, taking it all away from gaming (which the consoles are primarily for). But then going off topic onto the 360 pad and then its use as regards music: The NXE, though does advertise alot, works just fine. “My Xbox” – everything to do with your settings and account. “Games/Music/Video Marketplaces” – the place to go for anything game or music or video related. “My Community” – for all the new twitter/facebook stuff. “My Friends” – where to find your friends and parties. “Inside Xbox” – news and info on the latest games news (should be a direct link to TSA). It operates the exact same way as the XMB with Vertical/Horizontal movement through the UI and just features more pictures. They are practically the same with the PS3 looking more “swish” and the 360 more “colourful/vibrant”. As for music: the 360 will fetch any music/videos/pictures from a PC or portable storage with no fuss at all. The PS3 is cool ‘cos it allows you to rip in various formats etc – but then as you stated – they are consoles for gaming. Apart from the 360 D-pad and the integration of Twitter/Facebook in the 360/PS3 – i simply cannot agree with anything else said here. That’s the beauty of blogs.
Raen | 17/11/2009 12:28
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To be fair aren’t both consoles pretty good at playing games already? I mean they’ve both been doing it for a few years now.
FRUIT0FDOOM | 17/11/2009 12:39
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Both consoles are great at playing games, though i’d have to admit Playstation does come out with more “unique” exclusives, a trade off for the lesser quality ports it far too often gets. I’ve booted up Twitter and Facebook on the 360 and now uninstalled them ‘cos they are crap! As Gamoc says – the web browers are just plain better.
Raen | 17/11/2009 12:43
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That wasn’t my point, it was more since they’ve already got the playing games bit down why not add extra features on top of a solid core-game experience? I mean I know you love cross-game chat and parties, but those aren’t playing games, they’re layered on top of it.
FRUIT0FDOOM | 17/11/2009 12:55
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Oh, sorry, well on that point: Sure both consoles play games. But rather than waste time and resources into giving us the ability to tell the world we just sat down in front of the PS3/360 – how about this: (PS3) Get cross game invites and chat sorted on the PS3, increase stability of online gaming and get everyone connected much better when playing online. (360) Get more “unique” games on the go and everyone that worked on the implementing of these social apps for the 360 would be better used putting the HDMI cables back in the Elite boxs. My point is – though the two systems have fantastic games already, there is still plenty that needs doing around the gaming scene that these “consoles” should be soley focused on. There is a system that does gaming, browsing, social networking and media – its called the PC, and that’s not why i bought a console.
cc_star | 17/11/2009 12:57
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At least the 360 doesn’t have the drain it’s resources that the PS3 has with Home – what a waste of time that is.
Twitter & Facebook are on the ‘up’ as a way of socially interacting, at the expense of stuff like Second Life, of which Home is a pointless clone of.
Gamoc | 17/11/2009 13:08
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Cross game chat and parties are used for gaming, though. Facebook won’t be.
Quinlank | 17/11/2009 13:16
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But is Home really any more of a drain than the equally pointless Avatar features on 360? Given how little ever seems to be done with Home, and it’s priority only set to be downgraded further, I’d guess not.
As has been said, there is real room for improvement on both consoles, and adding an abundance of features that only a small minority will actually make use of and have little or no real relevance to gaming is not what I’d call ‘making improvements’.
Raen | 17/11/2009 13:18
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@FRUITOFDOOM I still completely disagree, at least with the 360. The PS3 does need to refocus itself in firmware updates, and really needs a preview program. On the other hand they probably have a dozen or two developers on the firmware team, and they can’t all be working on cross-game chat or net code. It’s actually bad to do that, in project management terms and in terms of having a bunch of people working on the same code (managing code with 3 or 4 people is difficult, even with great communication). The Facebook integration on the PS3 is a nice feature that probably took a few days to throw together.
On the 360 the same time frame for development applies. The people who actually wrote the code probably spent two or three days writing the code (both services are open APIs and the 360 has all the game invite stuff there in its own APIs). As for your other complaints, you know that’s ridiculous. The people who developed the Twitter and Facebook apps are not the same people who put HDMI cables in boxes (or the people who decided not to put them in) and they’re not the people who go out and research new “unique” titles, or encourage first party devs to get those titles rolling.
As for a machine that does it all, yes my PC does that. What’s wrong with having another one that does it?
FRUIT0FDOOM | 17/11/2009 13:26
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The HDMI was just a point i was making that there are much more relevent issues to sort out for both consoles. Sure it may have only taken a few days to implement Facebook and Twitter (though they needed testing etc making the whole process longer) but I can’t help but feel that giving us features like these rather than the features we really could do with is a damn shame! Home, Twitter, Facebook, Last.FM, Sky, BBC iPlayer, Vidzone – i’d trade them all in for more (and better) games and game related/enhancing features coupled with better stability.
shields_t | 17/11/2009 12:15
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Though I’m a facebook user I have barely used Facebook in the last year and a half, due mainly to the constraints on using it at work and my lack of bother at home. I doubt I will be more likely to use it if it is on the XMB of my PS3 but I do like the idea of trophy updates. I’d rather hear what games people are playing than what filling is in the sadwich they are eating or whether they are getting a haircut today.
As for Zune and Last.fm on XBox 360, I’m quite happy with the ps3’s equivalent, Vidzone.
A social network app I’d like to see on the XMB would be Flickr, something I use regularly and integration in tersm of uploading pictures from my PS3 hard disc would be useful, but again it would be hampered by the text entry hardware.
Gamoc | 17/11/2009 12:19
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Uploading images to Flickr would be a stroke of genius.
shields_t | 17/11/2009 12:22
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They have a Blackberry app and an iPhone app, so surely there’s a possibility.
cc_star | 17/11/2009 12:23
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As would being able to view your Flickr photos either using the new layout, or the PS3 photo gallery thingy
illogicology | 17/11/2009 12:25
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I’d be ecstatic if they opened an iphone style app store for the ps3.
dirtyhabit | 17/11/2009 13:48
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@ illogicology.
Funny you should say that.
I’d love to see iTunes integrated into the XMB. Was talking to somebody about it this morning. This would work perfectly with PS3 and PSP, (and of course iphone). I could see Apple and Sony making a heap from it, I would use it, plus it would stick one right up MS!
hairfreax | 17/11/2009 12:16
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As long as it dont go Jack of all Trades Master of None
Hank The Slayer | 17/11/2009 12:21
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I have FB . But i never use it.. Maybe i’m just anti social..
I don’t think i will be using it any time soon on either the PS3 or 360 ( i have both)
As for music. I have a Hi Fi for that . I Can’t play games with music on its too destracting for me.
Slightly off topic: Did you know you can get a 2 into 1 hdmi lead with auto switch over? eBay sell them for a few pounds..
jonny_bolton | 17/11/2009 12:26
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Really? (With regards to the HDMI cable). That is good. Now all I need is a HDTV
jonny_bolton | 17/11/2009 12:25
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Personally I will probably use the Facebook feature on my PS3 once to see what it’s like and never use it again. That said I’m sure there are some people out there who will use all the new XBox and PS3 features. I certainly don’t think they are necessary but if they aren’t taking away man power for more important updates then it really doesn’t bother me that they are included.
colossalblue | 17/11/2009 12:26
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If they’d put the Twitter stuff (which is not an app, it’s an interface to the web API so doesn’t install) on the Guide button blades thing then it’d be great (for people with the chatpad or keyboard, that D-pad is unbearable for prolonged use) but as it is it’s horrible.
Facebook is just horrible no matter what you do with it. Limiting it to the base functions is probably totally necessary but also makes Facebook on 360 feel crippled.
Last FM is a nice thing to have as an option but personally I’d rarely use it. It’s also not quite like the website (which I also rarely use). The 360 app seems like a limited-feature setup and the dodgy photo visualisations are so bad they’re actually quite funny. But I don’t think comedy was their aim.
Similarly, I like Vidzone but don’t use it much but the iPlayer interface on PS3 and PlayTV get massive amounts of use from me and Mrs C. So I suppose it’s not so much the move away from gaming that I have issues with, it’s the usability and functionality of the stuff they’re giving us.
I recently got on the Microsoft TV ambassador program where they gave me a USB TV dongle for the PC which streams via Windows Media Center to my 360 so I can have (and record) TV via my Xbox. It is very impressive and really works well but again, there is an extra step in there (the PC) if the dongle went directly into the 360 and worked like that it would be brilliant.
To me, all this extra stuff that Microsoft are trying to pitch on the NXE feels a bit like it’s being nailed onto a system which was never meant to support anything like this. It’s clunky (even the avatar marketplace doesn’t sit with the rest of the NXE) and awkward with no cohesion. It is also at risk of a backlash from 360-only gamers who will play with it for 5 minutes and then realise that it was probably just a timely distraction to take their minds off the fact that exclusives are very thin on the ground this “holiday season” and really good exclusives are non-existant.
Tuffcub | 17/11/2009 12:56
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Conversly I find twitter uttely pointless and Facebook brilliant.
Raen | 17/11/2009 13:29
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Really? Facebook is full of bloated pointlessness, Twitter is sleek and full of insightful comments and useful links.
TheSabreman | 17/11/2009 12:31
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I have little interest in Social Networking Apps but I can understand why they have come to consoles.
I would just like the ability to choose which icons the xmb displays (especially since 3.00). A simple tick box option would be great so I could declutter the never clicked on icons.
carlosfilippsen | 17/11/2009 12:40
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I think its a great idea. I use facebook a lot and would be great if I could just go on it on my PS3 and then go back to playing a game instead of having to switch to my PC to go on it. I have tried going on it on the PS3 browser but it is slow. I hope they make facebook on ps3 just as good as facebook on the 360 in later updates.
brillerment | 17/11/2009 12:44
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Ugh. I can’t stand facebook, worst thing ever made. Do not want to see that on my ps3…
DJ Judas | 17/11/2009 12:58
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Don’t have a Facebook, don’t want it on my PS3 so hoping I can remove it from the XMB.
Facebook causes more trouble than its worth.
bajere | 17/11/2009 13:31
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yea it does…the amount of arguments iv had over facebook led me to delete the whole thing from my life…that and the fact that after sitting down to read hundreds of pointless updates everyday i came to relies that there is no need for facebook, if people want me they have my mobile number. if they dont have my mobile number then they are not a friend.
Adding this to the PlayStation will only give more pointless updates to the world…so in short, NO, social apps are not needed on consoles. just put your PC/MAC off standby and use that!?!?