TheSixthAxis had the world’s first list of Trophy enabled games, and still has one of the best with several exclusive lists provided by our wonderful community days before the other sites get their hands on them. Still, when we first started the list we had no idea Trophies would explode into the massively important part of gaming that they’ve become – people look for the Trophies for a game before they even start it in order to streamline their first run through it to bag the most silverware, and our Trophy Leaderboard in our forums shows that people really do care about their Trophy count with nearly a thousand replies.
The problem, though, is that not every game has Trophies, because the system wasn’t in place from the launch of the PlayStation 3 and only actually started with firmware 2.40 on 2nd July 2008. We assumed, wrongly, that every game from that point on would have Trophies – this didn’t turn out to be the case but surely we could rest easy in the knowledge that all PS3 games would eventually get their own Trophies at some point? Right? Well, no, but what about the longtail titles like those on the PSN Store? Again, no, because although some games like Lemmings have recent got a patch to give it some silverware, some of the launch era games still don’t have Trophies.
I can understand the likes of EA not bothering to patch FIFA 2008 because nobody’s ever going to buy it, but PSN games like Dark Mist, 1942 and Elefunk don’t really have such a short shelf life and would no doubt find new sales should a Trophy patch be developed for them. Implementing Trophies isn’t trivial – I’ve heard first hand how tricky they can be to build into a game (especially since the latest firmware) so I’m not suggesting everything on the Store should be updated, but if Lemmings got a boost recently when Trophies were patched in then surely this would be a good sign to Sony to keep at it.
And then there’s stuff like fl0w, which does have a Trophy patch but not here in Europe – and it’s not the only game that appears to have suffered at the hands of the Great SCEE Delay Door Of Despire. Developer ThatGameCompany’s Ar-Pharazon comments that “the glacial pace of QA submissions outside of the US has always frustrated me deeply” so what’s the hold up, Sony Europe – this one can’t be down to localisation, surely? Do you not see the benefit of boosting sales with a Trophy patch? And why the secrecy – let us know if you’re planning on patching some old games and let us know when – Go Puzzle should be your first port of call.
Gamoc | 07/12/2009 09:47
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I find it perfectly acceptable that old games won’t get trophies. I would assume there is a fuck load of coding to get trophies into an already-released game that didn’t plan for them.
Just blame Sony for not having trophies from the beginning.
Gamoc | 07/12/2009 09:49
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Oh, and Go! Puzzle Skyscraper is excellent.
yobrenoops | 07/12/2009 10:05
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I think its more a case that the developers have moved on and it would cost a prohibitive amount of money to get them to code these back in.
Jumping Monks | 07/12/2009 10:11
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I agree trophy patches would boost sales, and should be implemented where possible on older titles. Scenarios like the one with fl0w is what pisses me off the most though.
skibadee | 08/12/2009 01:35
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& the 50cent game blood on the sand got trophies just for japan. I totally agree with you on the trophies bring back life to old games.
AcidCrashX | 07/12/2009 10:13
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i would like Flow to have trophies. I would like games such as MGS4 and Disgaea 3 to have trophies also though
Erroneus | 07/12/2009 11:13
Wanted "Trophy Hunter" but was too late.
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MGS4!! One of the best PS3 games and it doesn’t have trophy support. I’m sure many stays away from it, because of this, shame shame.
Ryrunii | 07/12/2009 13:44
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Disgaea 3 is meant to be getting trophies sometime over the winter period according to the EU psn blog – http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2009/10/08/nis-america-psp-titles-heading-to-european-psn/
Amphlett | 07/12/2009 10:40
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Super-Rub-A-Dub would be a good candidate for trophies. My son loves it (he’s 4.5) and he could easily get a handful of trophies for me, if they were supported in the game. It’s a great game for the little ones to play as it’s nice and friendly, no shooting, no potty mouthed idiots in online play and best of all, it’s based around playing with rubber ducks in a bath. What’s not to like?!
The game underwent a bit of an upgraded about a year ago in a patch which added a spruced up front end, improved replays and a ’shop’ facility which has not been put to use since the patch went live.
shields_t | 07/12/2009 16:42
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I actually thought I was the only person who had played super rub-a-dub, I remember it being used as a tech demo for the ps3 at some conference way back when. It’s certainly the best use I’ve experienced of six axis controls
cc_star | 07/12/2009 10:40
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I still can’t believe flOw when the Trophy patch has been released in other regions but not here.
Why is Europe ignored again?
Why is Sony presiding over the infrastructure where a region can be ignored?
Manorhowze | 07/12/2009 11:20
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Part of the problem is that SCEE overlook so many different countries (and indeed continents). I dont understand why that is. Surely it would make mre sense for SCEE to overllok just European countries but SONY dont seem to agree.
The reason for the delay is supposedly localisation but (once again) I dont understand why the english speaking countries cant just get the same patch as the US at (close too) the same time.
Cerberus64 | 07/12/2009 11:38
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Sorry, LOCALISATION!?… in a game that HAS NO TEXT!!! And don’t tell me that translating the trophy names into a few languages takes MONTHS!!
hazelam | 07/12/2009 12:29
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and they have no problem releasing content in one language only.
they’ve done it plenty of times.
the fallout dlc for instance.
but i bet there was a deal done where they were forced to release it in europe, unlike the oblivion dlc, for the dlc to come to ps3.
and that wasn’t the only occasion.
i’ve said, and still stand by what i said, that the best way to tell a liar is by the inconsistencies in their stories, and scee have been very, very inconsistent.
Manorhowze | 07/12/2009 12:34
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I agree that localisation should not really be necessary for flOw.
My point was meant to apply to the many other things scee have delayed and not just flOw.
cc_star | 07/12/2009 12:46
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Localisation is a bullshit point, absolute bullshit!
If you trade in 30 different countries then you have 30 different revenue streams, so just fucking hire more people.
I’m not blaming SCEE or the developer for individual delays, but I do blame SCEE for presiding over the system which leads to these problems… It’s their system so it is down to them to sort it out.
Alex_Assassin_08 | 07/12/2009 14:49
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CC is staff, and therefor meant to moderate our language.
And he says “just fucking hire more people”.
Do we all have permission to swear now?
Phil_E | 07/12/2009 10:46
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I’m sick of waiting for the fl0w patch.
I can understand a game not getting the patch in the first place because of the work involved. But why does it need to take so long to re-release the patch in the EU, it obviously works in the US, and fl0w can’t need that much localisation.
hazelam | 07/12/2009 12:17
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except the problem isn’t the work that needs to go into the patch because that’s been done, they gave the patch to scee and now it’s sitting in “the dungeon” waiting for somebody in scee to actually do something with it.
sanmartinez | 07/12/2009 11:29
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Europe will always be screwed over. with everything. I almost want to move XD
Ryosuke | 07/12/2009 11:51
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I’m still waiting for SCEE to get off there asses and deliver the Disgaea 3 trophies which have been promised to the EU for months now.
Boomshanks | 07/12/2009 21:37
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Indeed, we want Disgaea trophies. Although I have heard they’ll be coming this winter it can’t be soon enough!
bunimomike | 07/12/2009 12:02
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I could take or leave trophies and would be happy to see them implemented sensibly on new/old titles as oppose to them becoming mandatory everywhere. However, none of this is an issue as I’ve had my first ever problem with my console. I can’t sync my trophies but I believe that’s to do with the latest firmware upgrade. Oh well. I care little for them anyway but it’d be nice to know it works when I actually get around to doing it.
hazelam | 07/12/2009 12:15
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the delay door thingy, it’s known, by me at least, as “the dungeon”
scee have had the patch probably for months now, but they just refuse to release it.
there is something really wrong with the management at scee.
they’re holding off on releasing the picture frames in home, when ted stated that the issues were ironed out.
we still don’t have the stage set and they took out the grafitti game from the infamous space.
you think andrew house and bobby kotick visit each other’s yachts from time to time to discuss how to alienate their customers best?
maybe it’s a trading places style bet, see who can drive their customers away quickest, winner gets a dollar.
and don’t tell me the release of sfiihd the day before sfiv was an unlucky coincidence.
as for trophies, i say i don’t care about them that much, and i don’t >_> but they can add something to a game, the point when a game gets boring is when there’s nothing left to do, no tasks left to perform, that’s where trophies can make a game more fun, giving you goals to achieve, sorry, that’s the other console, trophies to win
debasemasonsgrog | 07/12/2009 12:43
have a nice day!
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Not to sound like a broken record, but I’d love for MGS4 to get a trophy patch.
Oh yeah, and what happened with the flOw patch? I thought that all trophy patches were global.
hunterstryfe | 07/12/2009 13:32
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slightly off topic, disgaea 3 has trophies (japan on release, US in last couple of months, EU nothing) why o why o why is europe nearly always last are we still not considered a large contributor now?
jacklum | 07/12/2009 13:33
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Oi! People in Europe stop moaning! You do realise that SCEE releases more games at greatest hits prices way before the US does I hope. Europe was able to get its hands on MGS4, Uncharted, Killzone 2 etc… for bargain prices long before the US does (and over a year in the case of Uncharted). Isn’t being able to buy new retail releases at half price better than getting trophies for some game most of you probably wouldn’t play anyway?
Cerberus64 | 07/12/2009 14:03
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Sorry but you don’t know what you’re talking about. Case in point – Assassin’s Creed 2 – US RRP $59.99 (£36.67) – UK RRP £49.99 ($81.76). Europeans and especially Brits are royally butt-fucked by SCEE over price almost every time! And having paid a premium for our Games and Consoles we’re expected to wait for patches and updates – IT’S NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!
jacklum | 07/12/2009 14:24
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Uncharted was a platinum release in the UK over a year before it became a greatest hits release in the US.
MGS4 was a platinum release in Europe 3 months before its price was reduced in the US.
Killzone 2’s platinum release came in early September, while the US is still waiting for a price cut.
Joystiq agrees;
“We’re a bit jealous of our European friends, as games rarely get the “Greatest Hits” label so soon.”
http://playstation.joystiq.com/2009/09/08/scee-platinum-line-expands-includes-resistance-2-killzone-2/
But, y’know, thanks for telling me I don’t know what I’m talking about.
jacklum | 07/12/2009 14:26
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Also, since Dark Mist was brought up as a candidate, it should be noted that that game was never even released on the US PSN store. What would you rather have – being able to play a game but not get trophies vs not being able to play the game at all?
jacklum | 07/12/2009 14:32
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Just to prove my point;
US Greatest Hits releases – 26 titles;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sony_Greatest_Hits_games#PlayStation_3
EU Platinum Range – 49 titles;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platinum_Range#PlayStation_3_titles
Pretty large disparity there.
Alex_Assassin_08 | 07/12/2009 14:46
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why are you making such a big fuss about platinum games?
Oh wow, we can buy more old games cheaper than you?
…old games that we already have and are cheaper anyway because of their age?
Cerberus64 showed you how unfairly Europe is treated. SONY like to act like they can charge us more and give us less.
It’s bullshit and I’m getting sick of it.
We have put more money into the pockets of SONY execs than America, but yeah, I guess that doesn’t matter.
Shit adverts.
Shit pricing.
Shit store.
Fantastic.
jacklum | 07/12/2009 15:01
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No. The fact is that most games in the US don’t get a price cut until they’re released as greatest hits. Wal-Mart and Gamespot basically control prices over here, so most games don’t get major price cuts until they hit the greatest hits label. In the UK, there are more places competing for game sales, so they price games more aggressively to compete. You wouldn’t get retailers in the US slashing the price of games, the way some places in the UK did for the release of FIFA 2010. I was in the UK at the start of the year and picked up the platinum release of Uncharted for £11, which (given the exchange rate at the time) was less than a third of its US price.
Cerberus’ price comparison argument only looks stronger as the US dollar is so weak at the moment (it’s weaker than it has been for a while).
jacklum | 07/12/2009 13:34
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A trophy patch for Everyday Shooter would be pretty sweet. Still play that one quite often even without trophies.