OnLive: The Future Is Coming

Ever wonder what the future looks like? Well take a peek now.
Published 30/12/2009 at 15:25 by cc_star
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We’ve had a look at OnLive on a few occasions before, but other than some marketing spiel haven’t seen too much of it in action. OnLive is a games on-demand service which gives anyone the ability to play any game on their TV, PC or Mac via a broadband connection. The game is ‘hosted’ on a remote server which does all the processing and streams the game to your browser (via a tiny plug-in) or to an OnLive console (expected to be $99 or free with subscription) Apparently anyone with a connection greater than 1.5mbps will be able to play in SD, whereas users with 5mbps connection will get the full HD treatment.

I could spend ages taking about it, as I’m hugely excited by the technology and hope it will mean an end to buying a new console every 5 years or so (even more often if they break down, hey Mr. YLoD!) and then worrying about whether my expensive back catalogue of games will be compatible, of course where this leaves Sony and a possible PS4 isn’t known, but billions of dollars of possible investment in chip technologies may be put to better use exploring ‘remote gaming’ opportunities of their own.

Anyway enough talk – take a look at the vid below which at the 12min mark shows the OnLive UI, Crysis Wars running on a fairly low specced Mac at 720p 60fps and amazingly even iPhone connectivity.

Source: GamerTag Radio.

Comments

Please note that all comments are the opinion of the individual author and not TheSixthAxis.

  1. Haven’t seen the video as i’m browsing on my mobile, but to be honest this whole thing doesn’t really interest me at this present moment. Unless they were to release this just before the next gen of consoles hits, i don’t really see it taking off. Right now the console war is taking off nicely and competition between sony and microsoft is intense. I just don’t see another entrant into the race even competing.


    • This not only blows them out the water but also makes them completely redundant.


      • Exactly, it’ll be very interesting to see not just how OnLive takes off but also the response from sony/microsoft etc.


      • Exactly but i remember hearing something about a Playstation Cloud wich is ment to be Sonys version of Onlive or something? ;


      • Someone needs to think up a funny name for onlive fanboys.


      • Only if they market it well and broadband develops along the exponential curve currently expected. 

        2 problems though :

        1: what happens to those who don’t have quick connections to handle it (thinking worldwide as consoles appeal to worldwide audiences)

        2: What happens during internet downtime.

        Although I’m sceptical about these points it looks good and a true competitor. Now just for them to sort out a way of competing like trophies and achievements ;)


      • @ Skibadee and CaptainMurdo

        You guys need to cool it you are starting to get mean and skibadee is right you sounded a bit disrespectful. He was right to ask what you would do if your Internet was down. I can see Murdo’s point that Internet doesn’t go down very often, but skibadee didn’t say it goes down often did he? He just said what if your Internet was down. I have really fast, reliable Internet, but this past week my internet stopped
        working quite right and I wasn’t able to get online and play with my buddies which ticked me off!


      • Woops!!!! Sorry I ment to reply to the post below


      • @ X_Yoshy_X

        I thought Playstation Cloud was improved social networking and community features?


    • So many people are saying the console war has too much steam for OnLive to have any affect. Well they’re wrong. This completely destroys any console war because it is so much cheaper and accessible. Plus, there would be no need to upgrade your hardware every 4 or 5 years, like all the current consoles. It is an almost future proof console.


      • not when your connection is down.


      • How often do you find your connection down? I think I’ve had one outage in years and years, possibly in all the time I’ve actually had a broadband connection.


      • If your connection is down often you may want to talk to your ISP about the crap service. It’s not OnLive’s fault if you pick the ISP with the shiniest logo.


      • you are talking like your the ceo of the company chill.


      • OnLive is redundant here. Connection isn’t good enough for SD gaming, let alone HD gaming. However, I’m sure in a few years time things will change (for this exchange). One of the most massive factors to the whole thing will be how OnLive is marketed as that is almost everything that’s vital right now. If you don’t tempt people away or let people know about it then it’ll fail (pretty much). If they can rival MS and Sony with regards to reaching people then they’ll be in with a good chance. I’m buffering the video now so I can take a look.

        I like the idea of not shelling out for expensive hardware everytime. God knows I had to wait for the PS3 to drop a bit in price before I bought my 40GB chappie.


      • Marketing is key – the publishers are key to this with EA, Ubisoft & Take2 on board there is a guarantee for a large pool of quality games, but with Microsoft, Sony 9even just Sony Online Entertainment) & Activision conspicuous by there absence – who knows which way it will go.


      • @skibadee: No, I’m talking like someone who actually researches something so they have a basis to debate with. I’ve never heard of this company “chill” either.


      • Captin Murdo no m8 you were being rude like I am some fool who has no clue about how to have a internet connection that works ,I think you said I like the shiny logo just silly.


      • This 80ms time isn’t instantaneous anyway. Look:

        http://img228.imageshack.us/i/mouselaggn6.swf/

        Set the arrow to the left for normal mouse reaction times then all the way to the right for 80ms. This kinda makes the whole thing moot if they can’t make it lag free.


  2. I like the idea of it, but I’m way too tangled into the whole community of Playstation now to think about moving to another ’system’ anytime soon. Plus, call me old fashioned, but I love having a shelf full of game boxes, and a console sat under my TV. I wouldn’t want it any other way.


    • Me too.
      We all know how reliable the telephone network is, a bit of snow or ice and the wires fall down or the sub stations get flooded by a bit more rain than usual. What happens when you have no connection to the on-live servers – No Gaming.


      • I know some people have cable but the majority of broadband connections are through telephone wires.
        Anyway cable isn’t 100% reliable.


      • How many outages do you have, I’m pretty sure I’ve only had one outage for less than a day since broadband was launched, not sure why anybody would have more than that.


      • I actually get about one outage a month, a situation which Virgin Media is always “well aware of” and sometimes “working on a solution.”


      • @cc_star But how many outages of MORe than a day have you had ;P

        Just yankin ya crank


  3. Actually I’ve now watched all 48mins of it, not just the gameplay bit around the 12min mark and the whole package is quite literally mind blowing.

    I wonder if the PS4 will be a PS3 on steroids, or just an inexpensive ‘cloud’ terminal?


    • Cloud terminal? Maybe. Inexpensive? Not so sure

      While they couldn’t justify making it very pricey if it WAS just a dumb terminal, it seems to be an industry where high prices get away with little justification anyway. I’m looking at you Activision


  4. I just watched the whole 48 mins of it, and as cc_star said its not just the gameplay but the whole thing looks and sounds incredible and by the looks of it it will be cheap and could run on any mid-range, good PC which is great. I am looking foward to this.


    • Even works on a netbook and systems without a graphics card


    • you don’t even need a mid range computer. All that is required is: a screen, an internet connection and some sort of input (wether that be a controller, a keyboard or the touch screen on your phone).


      • Yeah. It truly is a masterpiece. I want it :)


  5. Holy. Fucking. Shit. 


  6. This really appeals to me. Tiny little box needed at my end of things and surely less chance of hardware failure? Server down time will always be an issue but there is so much less to go wrong. All we need is for the UK to ‘get good’ at broadband!


  7. i prefer it, everyone has a computer, the 300quid i spent on my ps3 could be put towards something else


  8. So at one point the guy is going on about if there does happen to be a slight blip in the connection to the game, thats just something you have to deal with. How often will that happen? Say for example you’re in the middle of a race on GRID or something. When you’re travelling through a series of bends at high speed, the very last thing you need is the slightest blip, which in reality, is the difference between missing a wall by 1mm and turning your car over and ending your race. Most games would work a storm on this thing, but for games that rely on precision, I don’t think OnLive is as perfect as everyone is making out.


    • My thoughts exactly. Any kind of delay or interruption between you and the server, and your game is completely screwed. It’s all very well them showing these demos on a LAN or very high speed connection, but I’ll wait and see how it actually performs in the real world.

      How, for example, will it work here in the UK, where many areas – regardless of which ISP you’re with – suffer speed problems because of over-subscription?

      Much like Natal, I’m not convinced the reality will be anywhere near as good as the people behind it would have us believe.

      Apart from that, though, I don’t see myself being that interested in a system which REQUIRES you to be online to play. I actually LIKE to have my own system sat under the TV, to play any time I want, regardless of whether or not I have an available internet connection.


      • Watch the whole vid, he talks in great detail about network congestion and how they’ve got around it with their unique agreements with infrastructure providers and also how their compression technology get around packet loss, keeping the whole thing below 80ms ping, so even on the most congested internet it won’t falter.


  9. I’m lucky to get 1.5mbps before midnight. This won’t be replacing my consoles anytime soon – the infrastructure just isn’t in place.


    • The infrastucture is in place for the overwhelming majority of people to get 1.5mbps already, and by the time they’re ready for a UK launch will probably be available for all but the 2% of people who are known to be too far from an exchange to ever receive a quality ADSL connection, in fact by then the 5mbps will be easily achievable for the overwhelming majority of people.

      PS. are connected to a 2mbps service still? Are there any providers which offer 8mbps at your exchange? I’m on an exchange which has hardly any competition but it has been upgraded to ADSL Max, meaning I can get 4.5mbps from my upto 8meg connection


      • ps4 will be out before then plus that is SD.


      • What is SD?

        By the time it launches the overwhelming majority of people will be able to receive the 5mbps needed for HD, in fact the average UK speed is already 5.54mbps according to SpeedTest.net


      • I would rather have a game on disc or harddrive more reliable I feel. I meant 1.5mbs runs SD when a console runs full HD without the internet.


      • Avergae Speed of people using speedtest.net, NOT the UK average speed. Its only 60% of the UK who have 2 meg at the moment. Get your facts straight.


      • Stop ignoring key parts of a sentence in order to further your incorrect point, basically check your own facts before you tell other people to get their facts straight, and make what is quite frankly aggressive replies to comments.

        According to Ofcom the UK average in Jan ‘09 was 3.6meg, by June this had gone up to 4.1meg, so speedtest’s actual current real world testing of 5.54meg is likely to be close to any current official figures, if there were any. Especially when you take into account that since June BT upgraded its upto 8meg package to upto 20meg, along with more and more providers doing the same with each passing week.


      • fight, fight, FIGHT! pile on!!!


      • + also consider that the initial target customer for this service (a gamer) is more likely than the ‘average’ civilian to have a decent broardband connection.


      • its down to what you can get not if your a gamer I would have 50mb if I could get it the best bt can give me is 1mb, you have to be very close to the exchange to get a good speed.


      • I have to say, I’d be very unhappy to return to SD gaming on an HD TV but there’s still a fair old slice who won’t be able to do the same either. Having an average speed suitable for HD gaming is oversimplifying things (no offence intended at all). Contention ratio on that average speed plays a major factor at peak times. Add to this that bandwidth hungry gaming (like this) will only add to the situation. More frustratingly, it affects latency (somewhat) and people on SD-type connections (1.5Mbit etc) experience the most problems with jitter, latency, packet loss, etc simply because the older exchanges are … well… old! :D or they’re pretty far away on a new exchange but more noise/problems along the line due to there being more line. Just a quick mention but we lose internet a few times a month, here. Nothing to do with my network. BT know it’s a shit exchange but we’re not on our own either. I’m STILL buffering the video and the idea of it sounds lovely. The reality of it could be something special but this UK broadband network of ours is going to take time. Especially to handle massive loads as oppose to just casual surfing.


      • As mentioned in the presentation everything you mention has been thought of and taken into account within their 80ms ping target.

        Obviously the OnLive box (or browser plug-in) will need the entire 1.5/5mbps bandwidth so connection sharing at home will be an issue until FttH or ADSL2+ become more widespread, which there’s every chance they will be by the time these guys are ready for a UK launch.


  10. Hope the servers are great in the UK especially in Northern Ireland I need this!!!!


  11. It does seem impressive although i’d like to see itin HD first hand running on my own broadband connection.
    the main screen reminds me of what the ps3 interface was hinted at before the xmb was revealed.


  12. what is the point?
    If you’ve already got a console , which a hell of a lot of people DO, there isn’t much point is there? Is it to encourage fatness? If you walk to the shops you lose weight, if you download them, you don’t – simple. Is he jealous of skinny people?
    anyhow, buying a new console every 5 years is not bad. All the excitement of getting the next xbox(i’d never do that though!) or more importantly a new PS. is better than same old same old PC. You’ll have to buy a new PC when it breaks down, which it will.
    It’s just over-complicating the situation. There’s no need for 3 different companies. Its ok with two rivals Microsoft & Sony, competition is healthy. You know the saying – “2’s company – 3’s a crowd.”


    • Do you enjoy spending £400 on a console every 5 years? I don’t! I spent £425 at launch and then £299 when I got YLoD, so thats over £700 in less than 3 years. Fuck that – I’d jump at the chance of this, and so would millions of others

      I’ve also never had a PC break down on me, (other than my laptop which I threw in frustration once), despite owning a PC since… well forever, besides they can give you one of their consoles – its about the size of paperback book, so playing on a PC isn’t even necessary.

      Also I’d be able to run Crysis (or equivalent) with all effects turned on without having to spend nearly 2 grand on an Alienware machine

      And there already is 3 companies, the dominant one – and the two also-rans you mentioned.


      • Yet may payment might just be monthly installments. £5 a month for five years works out at £300. An xbox is under £200 a wii is under £200. I could also be locked in to a year contract every year which could alienate some children.


      • What about the cost of games? Potentially you have EVERY game at your disposal ALL the time, if you buy one console game a month, and let’s say you get a very good price on all of them – £35, then that is £420 per year, on top of the cost of the console (which for me has been £725 in just over 2 & a half years) is prohibitive to even more people isn’t it?

        The closest you can come to it in the physical world is a LoveFilm subscription which is £12-15 a month on top of your console cost, but even then I would still want to buy big games like GoW, Heavy Rain, Modnation etc etc probably at least 10 titles or more in 2010 alone I’d want to play more than a weeks rental period.

        Of course we don’t know what the subscription will be and what packages will be available and its success will stand or fall on this cost


    • I agree with CC here. Did you even watch the video?

      If OnLive encourages fatness then surely Play.com and Amazon do as well. I simply order from my laptop and it is delivered in the next few days. God forbid we use the technology available to us.

      OnLive doesn’t require a PC at all and if I could pay just £90 (or thereabouts) at launch or a monthly subscription to play the latest games without any waiting or queuing then bring it on. Even if you do run it through your PC, there is a much smaller failure rate with PCs than consoles. From personal experience anyway.

      Oh, and you forgot Nintendo. You know, the highly successful company this generation.You may not count them as next gen but they have certainly beaten MS and Sony. 

      What do you say to four then?


      • Nintendo was never going to be a next generation after their decision to stop with Gamecube, which i think is probably the best console of all time (just my opinion though) , and start producing the Wii.
        I think that was a mistake. It has worked out great short-term, there was no console like it. However. The graphics on Wii are atrocious. They’ve flunked them, and went completely for the motion control. As i said earlier, they WERE the only motion console. As we know, both Microsoft & Sony are going into motion control. Personal, because of this i see Nintendo Wii not selling. PS4 Motion control, or Xbox720 Motion Control will have stunning graphics and motion, greater therefore than the next Wii.


      • The fact is that consoles have to be so bleeding edge when they launch (in order to maximise their lifespan) that failure is far more likely. You can build a nice, safe PC which will never fail and run OnLive on that, always playing the best/latest games and not forking out for a new, highly strung, fragile £400+ machine every few years


  13. Modding would be the biggest issue, they would have to have a pretty impressive firewall. But apart from that i would gladly take this opportunity. But competition wise, OnLive would take out quite a few companies, such as Gaming Computers (Alienware) and console manufactures.


    • Yeah, they’re hardly going to sit back and watch themselves be phased out… not to mention all the hundreds of component manufacturers, also there wouldn’t need to even have graphics cards, so even ATI & Nvidea would have a vested interest in this failing. Computer sales could also plummet if this works out so Intel, Microsoft and others could be affected if people stop going down the well trodden upgrade path

      One thing not mentioned in this vid was applications, but there’s no reason that Photoshop & other resource hungry programs couldn’t be ran remotely in the same way, OnLive’s early demos even showed it, but I’d imagine Adobe and others being worried by it cannibalising their existing business’


      • Yeah it will take quite a few companies if this succeeds. Even with video game retailers such as GAME or GameStop surely their time will be up also. I just find that OnLive will have a monopoly and we need competition.


      • There was another company interested in doing the same thing as OnLive but not much has been heard of them.


      • Notice Activision aren’t signed up, what’s the betting that every company isn’t trying to develop their own version of it, leaving the ones who have the most publishers signed up best positioned to succeed.


      • There is this PlayStation Cloud as well. Looks like Sony want to have a go at this too and i wouldn’t be surprised if Microsoft has something in development


  14. Well good luck to everyone seeing as Britain isnt meant to get “Superfast” (er, 2 meg) coverage for 90% of the population.. by 2017.. If we all had Korean 50meg broadband it would be lovely. We dont. According to the statistics, “60% of broadband users in the UK enjoy speeds of 2Mbps” So well done, 60% of of the 60% of the UK who have broadband.. (http://www.websiteoptimization.com/bw/0902/).. so thats 36% of uk population who will be able to use onlive in standard def, and it works out about 8% can use it HD. Anyone want to play games in SD on your nice new 52″ 3D Screen? No? Me neither. Its a good idea but the internet backbone in the UK just isnt up to it at the moment. 5 Years time it wil be worth it.


    • Average UK speed is already over 5meg never-mind by the time they’re ready for a UK launch

      The whole Digital Britain 2meg by 2012 has been cancelled in favour of the 2017 target which is to have people hooked up to fibre or at least ADSL2+ (upto 24meg)


      • Scuse me french but your talking bollocks. The Office for National Statistics – thats an official place not some trumped up web test site, say “Nearly 60% of broadband users in the UK enjoy speeds of 2Mbps or higher”


      • There is sombody talking bollocks, not only have you mis-interpreted your source but you are puposely mis-quoting them. *or higher* is the key part of your info, which you seemed to ignore to further your incorrect point.

        As you can see much earlier this year in a report by Ofcom the average speed was already 4.1meg (this obviously goes up with each passing month)

        http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8171074.stm


      • cc that is just not true m8.


      • Well read the source article then, or consult any of Ofcom’s press releases, the average speed over 6 months ago was already over 4 meg (an actual fact) since then everyone and his dog has launched upto 20meg services, so it stands to reason that the average speed now is likely to be over 5meg (actual real world testing proves this)… if we carry on the trend in to the future then there is no reason whatsoever why it would be untrue


      • I’m on 50mb with Virgin at the minute. I check my speed on a regular basis, and I very rarely have over 4. The chances of me running my entire gaming experience through my internet connection is very very slim. I mean, at least with an 260 or PS3, if your net dies, you won’t be kicked. In my case, it’s more a case of when it dies, not if.


    • Totally agree… this is one for the nearish future… right now HD gaming will be confined to more expensive bits if kit… Still saying that I can’t wait!


    • Seriously? What is wrong with UK ISPs? In Germany you can get up to 100Mbit/s flatrate for a pretty good price (bundled with 2 flatrate phonelines). I myself have 32Mbit/s and the 50 Mbit/s flatrate package with 2 phone lines (also flatrate) costs 50€ /month. I can see OnLive taking over a huge chunk of the gaming market withing a short period of time after it’s launch. It is cheaper than normal consoles, games cost less due to subscriptions and you don’t have to worry about upgrading your hardware every time a new generation of graphic cards is released. I just bought an EeeBox 1501 with a dual core Intel Atom and nVidia ION chipset. This cheap, small, power efficient piece of hardware together with my internet connection will bring all the newest games in HD on my screen. What could you possibly not like about it?


      • Nothing fundamentally wrong with UK ISPs (ok, maybe Tiscali as they’re just shit) but the UK is a difficult piece of land to utilise (from telephone to gas to electricity to fibre). Being an island has pros and cons. Mainland countries (in the likes of Europe) have a far better chance of getting decent broadband. The reality of it is always going to buck the trend but this lovely island of ours is both desirable and equally quite the swine at times. :)


  15. Will you be able to play any game via this “magic box”? Or just PC based games? For fans of the EA Sports NHL franchise, the PC versions are a cheap port of the console versions and lack all of the depth that makes the game “the best sports sim”.

    and whhat about trophies!?!?!


    • Most companies have signed up for OnLive. I think Activision is the main company not to have done so. The games will most likely be developed to work with OnLive and I remember reading about some sort of amazing community feature built-in to OnLive to share achievement style progress and videos etc.


      • It seems to have huge community features… and Achievements already exist for PC games don’t they, if not they’ll be a must if it is to gain traction.