
SEGA’s Yakuza 3 released yesterday, and whilst it’s our rather more Japan-centric writer Kovacs that’ll be handling the reviewing duties, I couldn’t help but sneak a quick look in this morning before heading off to the post office. After all, if it’s looking good in the first 30 minutes I might treat myself to a copy from HMV.
Well, I know this is a familiar rant and I know I’ve only had one cup of coffee so far, but I’m at the end of my tether with the frankly appalling installation times we’re forced to endure these days, watching a pathetic, wretched progress bar creep towards the right of the screen without anything else to amuse us whilst it does so.
It’s been about 5 minutes and 33% of whatever arbitrary volume it’s stutteringly dragging from the Blu-ray onto my already bursting at the seams 120GB drive. The disk sounds like it’s about to give in, my TV has already gone into sleep mode and I’m sat here blogging about the damned thing rather than playing the game itself.
Yes, it’s just something we’re used to now on the PS3, but I’m getting tired of it. Is there really no way around this? Can the game not silently ‘install’ in the background as I’m playing it (a la Oblivion)? The game might well be the best thing since sliced tofu but unless I can get my hands on it before the post office shuts I’ll never know.
And does it really need to start the game with “There Is No System Data” as the first thing the user sees? Yes, as a seasoned current-gen gamer I know it probably means that the game can’t find any existing save data, but – hey – if it can’t, just bloody well make some and get on with the installation, hardly a good first impression.
So, if a game needs the hard drive to run at a decent speed, do the donkey work in the background and leave me to put up with marginally slower load times for the first half hour. I might make this a regular feature – see how much I can write before the game finally lurches onto my PS3′s hard drive in a state that’ll finally make it playable.
55%, by the way.
MadBoJangles | 13/03/2010 07:36
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I think more games should have things like the Origami folding/loading screen like Heavy Rain. Was more interesting than a progress bar.
skibadee | 13/03/2010 15:27
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me too or the games History/Story maybe.
aerobes | 13/03/2010 07:39
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I find this hugely irritating too, as you mention quite why games cant seem to follow the lead of what is a pretty old game now is beyond me but nevertheless, I shall still be picking this title up after really enjoying the demo a lot.
Thankyou for the warning, seems Forza 3 might be getting a half hour blast while Yakuza does its business. :)
TheDeathAvenger | 13/03/2010 08:19
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Interesting, it was after playing the demo that I thought i’d decided I wound not be getting it. Then yesterday I read the OPM and PSM3 reviews (they both gave it 9/10). So much is mentioned in the reviews that the demo just didn’t seem to even hint at.
Raen | 13/03/2010 08:23
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To be fair at least PS3 games can have an interesting instal. Optional 360 instals are great and all, but it would kill them to not make it a default installer. I know Heavy Rain had the Origami instal but almost nobody is doing Red Alert style installers, those were awesome. Hell even loading Tetris into memrory would be good.
colossalblue | 13/03/2010 17:15
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There’s an interesting fact about loading mini games while your game installs.
Here it is: Namco (I’m almost sure it was Namco) own a patent on that. So there you go, unless it’s a Namco game it can’t have a retro arcade game or a little mini game that goes on while you install (although I’m guessing anyone could license it for a fee).
Even Namco don’t seem too keen on actually using it.
cc_star | 13/03/2010 08:50
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SEGA are making a name for themselves for not knowing shit about the PS3.
From the appaling Bayonetta to the framerate dropouts in Sonic & SEGA racing (I know Sumo Digital developed it but the game carries SEGA’s name & they are the publisher with overall control of the finished product) and now this.
Everything they touch except for Valkyria Chronicles has issues.
SEGA must have had some sort of PS3 dev kit for about 4 years now and the lack of pride which shows in their work is astonishing.
iAvernus | 13/03/2010 09:12
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LOL! Very well said! I honestly thought I was the only one who thought SEGA was a little iffy with their releases lately.
hazelam | 13/03/2010 09:54
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or it could just be lazyness, look at how much they cut from the western version because they “didn’t have time” despite it being over a year since the japanese version was released and them not even redubbing the game just subs.
but they have been chummy with nintendo lately, and nintendo seems to be all about the money now and not so much the quality, i just couldn’t imagine nintendo as it is now ever introducing something like the seal of quality from nintendo of old.
maybe they’ve.
how about sony enforce an installs are optional policy?
given the choice of a 20-30 minute install at the start or in game loading that take a few seconds more, i’d go for the slightly longer loading, with an option to install later when i’ve had a chance to actually play the game first instead of having to wait half an hour to play the game for the first time.
jikomanzoku | 14/03/2010 17:36
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I’d go with subs over dubs every time, most western voice talent is awful as we have no strong tradition for it here unlike the Japanese with anime etc, so sometimes shonky arsed, lazy development has dividends a la Shenmue 2. But your absolutely right, it’s a lazy game, just another franchise – which is a real shame,
the original Yakuza was good, this just feels clunky in all the same ways. There seem to be so few franchises now which not only learn their own lessons but those of genre responses to their previous iteration. Resi 4 was good, Deadspace improved the controls and interface immeasurably, Resi 5 quite deliberately ignored everything and stayed clunky and robotic as a result.
cc_star | 13/03/2010 15:44
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OK, I’ve marked SEGA down in my mental dictionary to mean substandard, and that makes me sad because I’m a SEGA fanboy
JesseDeya | 13/03/2010 12:52
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nofi you really need another coffee.
Are you really complaining about having to wait a few minutes to install a game? Really? REALLY?
Reality check required. Firstly, your scenario of squeezing in a look at a borrowed review copy of a game is not typical of the average punter. Most people buy a game and will get anywhere from 10 to 300 hours of enjoyment out of it. A 10 minute install isn’t that big of a deal. Secondly, I’ve waited longer for a cup of coffee!!
Speaking of which, have you had that second one yet? You need it, and probably some Xanax.
cc_star | 13/03/2010 15:40
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Perhaps your happy for stuff you spend £40 to not be quite as good as it should be, but it doesn’t mean everyone is.
skibadee | 13/03/2010 16:11
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new Coffee machine maybe.
jacklum | 13/03/2010 16:23
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I walk my dog for ~2hrs every day, so install times barely register for me. I grew up with an MSX and C64 and only had tape decks for them, so a one-time 10 min install doesn’t really seem like a big deal compared to the ‘good’ old days. Sure, Uncharted 2 and GOW III don’t need installs, but they’re the cream of the crop. It’s like saying ‘why can’t every England player be as good as Rooney’? It’s unrealistic.
rossthebassist | 13/03/2010 13:11
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i dont get some games, how come games like Modern Warefare, Final Fantasy, Uncharted 2 etc etc etc work SMOOOOOOOOTH with no install. yet some games like this need an install. is it just lazy coding?
cc_star | 13/03/2010 15:39
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Pretty much – there is no need whatsoever to have installs other than it cuts down on development time & therefore money.
anything but tangerines | 13/03/2010 23:58
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My Yakuza 3 only took about 10-15 mins to install, dunno what the problem is with you.
sshaunss | 14/03/2010 21:00
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Got to say this really bugs me as well and the updates as well. Cant believe tho that ff13 doesnt have any of this and its soo awesome but with some games that are just pants the install is around 5gb.
KetchupBBQ | 15/03/2010 16:54
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17 minutes.
My ADHD is driving me crazy!