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Middle-earth: Shadow Of War Will Include A Market Where You Can Buy Loot Chests

For people too lazy to play video games

The latest game to include the digital gamble known as loot chests is Middle-earth: Shadow Of War, as Warner Bros. have announced a new Market where you can buy all sorts of goodies using two currencies, Mirian and Gold.

Aside: That sounds like a quaint Sunday tea-time drama on ITV about two old ladies who turn detective. Can Mirian and Gold discover who has been sabotaging the bakes at the Women’s Institute bake off?

Back to orcs and stuff: Mirian can only be earned in game by killing orcs, destroying weapons and finding stashes. Gold is “awarded in small amounts at specific milestones and for participating in community challenge,” and, yes you guessed, can be bought with actual money.

If you do buy the loot chests and get yourself some gear or unique orcs for you army you are absolutely not cheating, what you are doing is saving time. That’s completely different to cheating because some people are far, far to busy to play video games and want to spend money to bypass some of the game.

Here’s what WB have to say:

What do you mean when you say Gold can save time?

  • By simply engaging with the world and playing through Middle-earth: Shadow of War, you earn items like Gear for Talion and unique Orcs for your army. These are the same items that are found in the Market within Loot Chests and War Chests. Gold merely allows you to get your hands on them immediately, cutting down some of the additional time that would have been spent winning more battles, tracking nemeses, completing quests and assaulting fortresses.

Does Gold give me an advantage in the game?

  • No, Gold does not give you any advantage over other players. A player who invests enough time can progress the same amount and have access to the same content as a player who purchases Gold. Gold is not required to progress or advance in the game at all.

Are there unique items in the market purchased using Gold that you can’t get through normal play?

  • No, all of the aforementioned items can be earned playing through the game. Gold merely allows you to get your hands on them immediately.

How much does Gold cost?

  • Prices for Gold will be communicated at a later date.

See, not cheating at all, just saving time and giving you nice stuff without any effort. Personally I think there should be some sort of penalty for this, perhaps stopping you from earning trophies or achievements if you pay to win but that would stop people doing it, and therefore deny WB lots of lovely money.

Alternatively, perhaps the people who don’t have time to play video games properly could just **** off and find a different hobby.

Source: WB games

20 Comments
  1. MrYd
    Member
    Since: Mar 2011

    Or even more alternatively, people could not encourage this sort of nonsense by not buying the game if it let’s you pay to cheat. Sorry, “save time”. Or possibly “play the game in the time it would normally take if random boxes of things weren’t there to drag things out to the point where paying real money sounds like a good idea”.

    Then perhaps they’d stop doing it, maybe?

    I’ll just wait for a sale and pick it up cheap next year. The first game was quite good, if you like the Batman games, Assassin’s Creed and the colour brown. Not good enough to encourage those shenanigans for the sequel though.

    Comment posted on 07/08/2017 at 10:54.
  2. leeroye
    Member
    Since: May 2012

    I have always wondered how legal this sort of thing is. It surely must be a form of gambling and a lot of the time its included in games that under 18’s are legally allowed to play.

    If you want to sell stuff like cosmetic items in games thats fine, at least you know up front what you are paying for. When you are paying for a box that could contain anything that surely has to be classed as gambling.

    Comment posted on 07/08/2017 at 11:22.
  3. TheShepanator
    Member
    Since: Nov 2009

    So now they’re literally charging for cheat codes, I want off this ride

    Comment posted on 07/08/2017 at 11:39.
  4. JR.
    Member
    Since: Apr 2013

    I really don’t mind as long as it doesn’t have a negative impact on the people who want to play the game old school ei. actually playing it.
    The idea that anyone would spend £40-50 on a game, then spend more money to finish it quicker seems a bit odd to me – like renting a movie on Amazon and watching it in fast forward so you can reach the end sooner – but it’s really none of my business. There are obviously a lot of people spending money on these things because WB wouldn’t invest their time and effort putting this in the game if it wasn’t beneficial for them.
    Although I don’t understand how Sony (and others) are ok with this practice when they were so quick to remove the $0.99 trophy game.

    Comment posted on 07/08/2017 at 12:04.
    • JR.
      Member
      Since: Apr 2013

      *ie (ei ei oh)

      Comment posted on 07/08/2017 at 12:05.
    • MrYd
      Member
      Since: Mar 2011

      The problem is, it obviously does have a negative impact on people that don’t want to pay even more for the game.

      Things you’d unlock naturally in the game? Put them in a random loot box and pretend you don’t have to pay to unlock anything. Except you then spend longer playing the game, hoping the things you want pop up. Stretch out natural game progression into a big grind and give the option of cheating to speed things up once it inevitably stops being fun.

      In your renting a movie from Amazon example, it’d be like watching the first scene, then opening a box. If you get lucky, you can watch the next scene. Otherwise, you get to watch the first scene again, and hope you get lucky this time. You’d soon become annoyed with the 73 different logos that appear before the film even starts, and pay to unlock the rest of the thing you’d already paid for.

      Comment posted on 07/08/2017 at 12:37.
      • JR.
        Member
        Since: Apr 2013

        It’s definitely open to abuse.

        If there is an acceptable level of progression ie kill 10 bad guys to level up but they change it so you have to kill 100 bad guys to level up (to make paying to win more attractive), I don’t agree with it. But if the level of progression stays the same and they simply add the pay-to-win feature for those who want to use it, I’m fine with it.

        I think holding back exclusive items as dlc is worse.

        Comment posted on 07/08/2017 at 13:24.
  5. Tony Cawley
    Pint! Pint!
    Since: Feb 2009

    It’s the old assumption that if it’s SP only, then it’s not cheating. If it offers no advantage over players that you’ll be directly competing against then there’s no element of cheating. I can get that, I really can, but there needs to be a a balance so that you’re getting plenty of opportunities to open boxes anyway without paying, but those that do pay get even more.

    This is where FIFA Ultimate Team gets it wrong imo. If you don’t pay cash, you’ll very rarely get to open packs at all.

    Then you’ve got games like Overwatch which do it right. Anything that can be unlocked in boxes are cosmetic only so it has no bearing on the gameplay.

    Then there’s Rocket League which gets it horribly wrong. “here, have a box. Yay. Oh, you want to open it? You’ll have to pay for that”.

    With these box affairs, you absolutely have to offer the player plenty of opportunity to open these boxes through general play, with payments only there to get extra openings.

    That’s my 2 cents anyway.

    Comment posted on 07/08/2017 at 13:18.
  6. Tuffcub
    On the naughty step.
    Since: Dec 2008

    It devalues the time and effort people put in to play the game correctly.

    You spend your precious free time invested in a game and work to gain the loot – and then someone who has more money than you gets the same thing by using a credit card.

    It’s cheating. I don’t care what you call it, it’s cheating.

    Also spare a thought for the poor devs who have spent months, years creating a game, and then have someone in accounts go “Hey we can get people to pay for this bit” and that bit of the game you worked so hard on will never get seen.

    Comment posted on 07/08/2017 at 14:42.
    • Tony Cawley
      Pint! Pint!
      Since: Feb 2009

      Or you could look at it as another different way of achieving the same thing.

      In this life some of us have loads of free time and not much money, whereas other have loads of spare money but not a lot of free time.

      Isn’t this just a way for developers to cater to both groups of people?

      Comment posted on 07/08/2017 at 14:50.
      • Tuffcub
        On the naughty step.
        Since: Dec 2008

        Isn’t the point of playing games to.. you know… play the game? Why are should they cater for people who can’t be bothered?

        Comment posted on 07/08/2017 at 15:40.
      • Tony Cawley
        Pint! Pint!
        Since: Feb 2009

        Let’s say for example it’s a 10 hour grind to get a particular weapon, say like in Destiny with the exotic swords. If somebody would like to pay to circumvent that 10 hour grind, but still wants to play the game, is that OK?

        Comment posted on 07/08/2017 at 16:00.
      • MrYd
        Member
        Since: Mar 2011

        No, it’s not OK.

        If something becomes too much of a grind so that people aren’t having fun and will pay to cheat their way past that grind, your game has a problem.

        The solution to that problem is either to make it less of a grind, or to let people pay to speed things up. Which really just comes down to “let the developers fix the problem, since they should know what makes a game fun”, or “let the publishers tell the developers how to fix the problem, because money”.

        It’s a bad idea in a single player game (because you’re paying to make things fun again), and even worse in a multiplayer game (because you’re going to die repeatedly at the hands of people with more money than sense)

        Comment posted on 07/08/2017 at 16:18.
      • Starman
        Member
        Since: Jul 2011

        Some have little free time and little free cash. So why aren’t they making the boxes free for those people? Will that developers be upset if someone doesn’t play their game for ages but a little cash payment offsets that misery?!

        Comment posted on 07/08/2017 at 17:28.
      • Nate
        Member
        Since: Apr 2010

        I think the vitriol here is a little ridiculous. As Tony said, some people have more money than time. I have a small child, so have neither, but the thought of being able to access things without a grind is certainly appealing. I have never paid for loot boxes, and am unlikely to in the future, as I have more important things to save for. That said, I can see the logic and to state I couldn’t be bothered to grind so therefore shouldn’t be playing the game at all is infantile nonsense.

        Comment posted on 08/08/2017 at 06:58.
  7. Starman
    Member
    Since: Jul 2011

    Sadly this is becoming the norm for games now. They didn’t even answer their own question about giving a advantage in the game. They replied with “it doesn’t give you an advantage over other players”, well yes because it’s a single player game but it obviously does give an advantage in the game or they wouldn’t have put them in. I loved Shadow of Mordor but I’ll be avoiding this and any future games that have this random box crap in. Also explains why they said you can’t retry missions.

    Comment posted on 07/08/2017 at 16:11.
  8. The Lone Steven
    Never heard of him.
    Since: May 2010

    Oh for Balgrog of Kazadum’s sake! Really? Loot chests? The randomly generated “Feck you, asshole. Enjoy your shit and buy more!” content. Really? in a Middle Earth game. Why? Wait, Warner Bros, that’s why. It’s gonna to be a grindy affair, ain’t it? They claim it won’t be but once the cash comes in, they will patch it in so that it is a grindfest and not the fun Final Fantasy type but the “Oh for fuck’s sake. How much more must I do?” Affair.

    Oh and followers that die are pemandeath. So yeah, good luck with your loot boxes only to lose the follower a few minutes later.

    Also, Shelob. They turned Shelob into a generic sexy woman. The fecking giant Frostbite Spiders are more Shelob then Shelob!

    Comment posted on 07/08/2017 at 16:13.
  9. JR.
    Member
    Since: Apr 2013

    Could this be a symptom of the insta-grat attitude of many spoilt young people who have zero desire to earn anything – but rather want the best of everything, right now, with the least amount of effort on their part?

    Comment posted on 07/08/2017 at 16:35.
    • Starman
      Member
      Since: Jul 2011

      Put down the daily mail. It’s the result of a corporation trying to make money with a way that has been successful elsewhere. Nothing to do with any “lazy millennials” bullshit. I’ve seen literally nobody comment anywhere that they actually like buying these random awards.

      Comment posted on 07/08/2017 at 17:24.
      • MrYd
        Member
        Since: Mar 2011

        Plus have you seen young people? Get them playing whatever game they like this month and nothing’s going to get in the way of that, not excessive grinding, eating or sleeping. Nothing.

        What’s wrong with “the least amount of effort” anyway? What sort of idiot puts in more effort than necessary? Assuming “paying for it” isn’t the least amount of effort, but not playing the game. You wouldn’t say the people watching a football match scored the least amount of goals, would you?

        Comment posted on 07/08/2017 at 17:48.

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