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Interview: Watchdog Consumer Group Member

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes canis?
Published 21/09/2009 at 16:00 by colossalblue
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Here at TheSixthAxis we have been following the PS3 / Watchdog story closely. We wrote about it on the night of the broadcast and then we published an open letter (which was quoted by the Telegraph) to the BBC Complaints Dept the next day. Over the course of the weekend other sources have been picking up on the story and basically covering the stuff we already did on Thursday and Friday. We’ve been busy too though, securing an interview with one of the guys who was on the show getting his broken PlayStation 3 fixed. As is his right, our source would like to remain anonymous.

We will respect that, of course. We can say that he was one of those consumers on the show and he is also a community member at TheSixthAxis.

Amongst the most interesting and pertinent points made in this interview is the claim that Watchdog encouraged the guests (or at least this particular guest) to “embellish” their story for the report. Perhaps eschewing accuracy and journalistic integrity for scaremongering and sensationalism? I’ll let you read the full interview yourselves and make up your own minds as to whether the report was carried out in a professional and honourable way. Our questions are in bold and the replies are standard text. Nothing has been added or edited from the responses.

How long did filming take?

We were asked to attend from 2pm until 8.30, the actual filming probably started about 4.30, with rehearsals about 2.30. They said it may run over time by about 15 to 30mins, but we were still filming bits until about 10pm, left the BBC around 10.20pm.

During the filming did you or anyone else mention that you didn’t agree with the figures the Watchdog team were quoting?

We talked amongst ourselves, and voiced our opinions on a few matters, but I can’t remember anyone directly querying their research

Were you told to embellish your story of how your PS3 YLoD’d?

A categorical yes.

Did the engineers find a common fault with the PS3s that had YLoD’d?

We didn’t really get to speak to the engineers directly, nor would WD let us watch the actual repairs.

We were told that all of the Units had exactly the same problem, which I think was the melted connections between the CPU or GPU, which was caused by overheating.

Did you or anyone else highlight that any YLoD’d PS3 can still have its hard drive removed and the data saved?

We were all aware that this was possible, but I don’t recall anyone mentioning it to the WD crew doing the filming/interviewing.

Were you told that the YLoD condition is limited to launch 60GB models?

No, they didn’t even ask if we all had the same model. I know 3 of the on show fixes were definitely 60gb, and there was at least one 40gb model. Pretty sure there was an 80gb, but can’t confirm.

How was your conversation with Sony regarding your personal console?

Kind of like banging my head against a brick wall. After logging my complaint, and giving my reference number to the CSA, she said “so what’s the problem?” I thought it would be pretty obvious if she actually bothered to read the info on the file.

Anyway I then spoke to a manager called -removed-, he was very nice to speak to, but didn’t really help. He said that the flashing red light meant that my Ps3 just need a service, and when I asked him if he thought that my Ps3 dying so soon out of warranty was not very good, he agreed and said he would personally expect them to last a lot longer than mine had. After not really getting anywhere after about 40 mins I decided to end the call, he did offer me a 12 month warranty instead of the usual 3 month one to ‘compensate me’ for the poor experience I had gotten.

How much did you have to pay to get it fixed?

I actually didn’t pay anything (unless you count the license fee or car parking cost), but had I gone through Sony, it would have been £145. I considered Console Doctor for £70.

Did you think the Watchdog report did a good job of covering the problem?

No, it lacked vital info on things like models that were affected, any decent explanation as to what had happened to the console, and they only aired the brief story of what had happened to one of the people on the show, when the 3 of us had different circumstances as to what happened in each instance.

They also only concentrated on the YLoD problem, when they could have also brought up the issue where the bluray drive fails, although Sony honour those fixes as they recognise it as a problem.

All that said I think they have helped people like myself get the problem recognised on a large scale, via a platform which Joe Public has greater access to, where as forums will generally only be accessed by people with a direct interest in the site.

Do you think more could be done to get to the roots of the problem?

If you mean by WD then yes, they could have had the technicians explain how they did the fix, highlighting what had gone wrong and given their own opinion of what/why it was happening.

As far as I have found through my own research the problem lies in companies are no longer able to use lead solder, and the replacement material isn’t as good at coping with the heat. With the ‘evidence’ I have seen I would say the issue lies in that and there was either not enough testing to see how long a typical unit could last.

Do you think Sony are right to charge for YLoD fixes?

Not sure how to answer this one, I’m a bit on the fence. If it is a problem with the manufacturing that has caused the YLoD then no, I think they should bite the bullet, admit to the problem and pay for the fix themselves. On the other hand, no company would offer something like that, unless faced with a law suit, and I can understand why they want/need to charge for it, especially knowing how much was spent developing the console, and that they sold millions of units at a loss from the beginning.

Sony have highlighted that they make a loss with the current £128 charge. What value would you like to pay for the fix?

I think a price in line with the other companies out there who offer a fix would be fair, or a price match policy. I probably would have paid between £70 – £100 but I was told by Sony that the cost included the collection and return of the Ps3, which I disagreed that I should have to pay for that, especially when I had followed all of the advice in terms of usage and placement of my console. Whilst the repair would be more thorough and use official components, the fact that I would have lost all my data on the HDD is what ultimately put me off using their service. Also the Slim rumours being  batted around made me want to hold on.

Let us know what you think in the comments and you can also head over to the thread on our forum where some of our community members are attempting to gauge the true scope of the so-called ‘Yellow Light of Death’ issue.  Please note that TheSixthAxis cannot vouch for the authenticity of our interviewee or his answers, but we have it in good faith that he absolutely was there at the filming.

Comments

Please note that all comments are the opinion of the individual author and not TheSixthAxis.

  1. what is the slim rumour being batted around?


    • I think he means that when his PS3 initially broke he didn’t buy a new one because there was talk (rumours) of a Slim being released.


      • aaahh ok thanks ;)


  2. Well it obviously shows that WD didn’t do their research as much as they should of done. I do agree though that the problems more wide spread than we think and that it is good for WD to let people know about the problems that could go wrong with your new console purchase. I think WD were too harsh on the problem without highlighting the correct details, but at least it got the problem out there. Maybe Sony will listen a bit more to the cusomters that do have problems from now on???


  3. Why is it where games are concerned the media (apart from the net or specialist gaming mags) just cannot get their facts right?


    • Because the media go all out on the critical comments and stories before actually doing some real research.


    • One of the members of staff wrote a series about this very thing. I would provide a link but cannot remember what it was called.


  4. Great interview TSA. I still think the way this whole thing has been handled is pretty shocking. I didnt watch the show but after reading the article its so full of holes its just not funny. The numbers all seemed so wrong as if they were trying to make Sony look bad rather than trying to get a manufacturing issue rectified without cost to the consumer.
    Keep the info coming guys!


  5. Very very interesting interview, didnt know about the lead solder thing so now I am enlightened somewhat as to why breakdown rates seem to be on the rise after a certain period of use.

    I hope for all Slim owners that these problems do not affect you 1 1/2 to 2 years down the line like many of us hardcore gamerssemm to endure and fork out for.

    I like his honesty in that he “sits on the fence” with the Sony charges for repair and I do understand Sonys stnace on trying to keep hold of as much cash as possible….but if this is only 0.5% of consoles as they claim then surely they can repair them to keep up customer moral?!


    • What do you mean by that, slims arn’t hardcore, how about i had a 60gb since launch (midnight, which i also worked selling) which repetadly fucked, so i got an 80gb then went out and bought a slim, all of which i play to fuck, i also have a wii, 360 ans psp (thats becoming a go) If anything just having to repair your console once seems a bit wet to me.


      • You misunderstand me, i mean that I hope that the slims dont break after hardcore gaming is done on them ( after 1 11/2 years) like the fattys have.


      • Yeah the faults are cumalative so it’s only over time that its known whether the new manufacring process will have a positive effect on failure rates


  6. I blame the Anne Droid.


    • I knew it.

      Someone had to pull that joke out of the bag.


    • She’s got such a sarcastic nature is sometimes hard to take her seriously. That and the wonkey smile.


  7. The bottom line is that Watchdog is more an entertainment show rather than investigative. They’re going to cut corners, they’re going to make it look more ‘exciting’ than it perhaps is and they’re going to go for the jugular. After all, that’s why they ditched Nicky Campbell and got Anne (stretched face) Robinson back.


    • yep I agree, its a shame as Watchdog did actually used to get their facts right and sort things out. Not anymore, I have sent many emails to watchdog over the years, and never even got a confirmation of receipt. IMO thats pretty rubbish.


    • All so true there Amphlett. :)
      Lol. ’stretch face’ Anne Robinson. :D


  8. I agree with Amphlett that WD does have a element of entertainment , and the producer might be under pressure to make a good show hence the:
    Q.” Were you told to embellish your story of how your PS3 YLoD’d?”
    A. A categorical yes.

    I prey that my 60 gig don’t die soon!!


  9. A good friend of mine is a Trading Standards manager, and he refuses to watch Watchdog. Says it all, really.


    • Same my lasses mother is in trading standards, and says watchdog just blurt out crap and exagirate what they have heard to make thigs look worse for better programing.


      • It really does say a lot when people who know what they’re on about criticise the show.


      • It’s a shame that Watchdog seems to have so little respect nowadays, that what appears to be a legitimate problem with the PS3 has been pretty much disregarded in many ways simply because of the criticism of the show’s coverage.


  10. Erm  1 quick question….When did Sony start honouring BD failure repairs? 

    Because it cost me £99 to get mine fixed by Sony :|
    Although I have to say the service was very good and I was without PS3 for about a week :)


    • I got mine fixed in february and it was an original 60gb launch model well out of warranty.


      • Grr! *shakes fist*

        I rang up and had to hand over the cash well after that. Mid – late June :(


    • I got mine fixed in febuary and it was an original 60gb launch model well out of warranty.


  11. Good read and a good follow up.
    The section about the cost of collection and delivery is something that I asked SONY when my Blu-ray drive failed. It was free at this time and I guess it’s definately because of the fail rate. The way in which the delivery and collection works is great though, SONY send you a text what day the driver is coming and the driver makes you place your console in a special pink carrier which is opened by SONY.
    I think this should be free for all faults if they are a manufacturing fault.


  12. Great follow up article TSA, and thanks to the guy who agreed to be interviewed about this and put across his side of the story.

    After having a 60gb die on me and been fortunate to buy another console shortly after i think Sony are burying this problem with the Slim. It will have been designed for this not to happen again and i will not be holding my breath for them to come out and admit a problem with the launch machines. MS only did because of a law suit. It would also lose them a lot of ground in the console war. I would like to see the charge lowered for repairs thats for sure £128 is a lot considering what a lot of us paid for the machine from launch day. It also strikes me as odd that the continues play service has been removed with no apparent warning. One things for sure i purchased the extended warranty with my new PS3. I wonder what they will replace the CP service with if ever…

    WD should be ashamed for presenting such a bad piece on the program but TBH WD lost a lot of its integrity years ago, Which is the place for unbiased information these days.


  13. It really does make you question the rest of the reports made by WD.


  14. Was the Telegraph quote online? If so can we have a link?


  15. Brilliant interview secured by TSA!

    This puts force behind CB’s complaint letter, WD’s mistakes and clarifies some important points,
    superbly executed interview and I hope BBC WD pay attention (hey, a man can dream, right?).

    Let’s hope this issue gets resolved and the PS3’s known reliability isn’t damaged.


    • “…and the PS3’s known reliability isn’t damaged.”

      Should be:

      “…and the PS3’s name isn’t damaged.”



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