The PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 have caused a shift in the console cycle according to EA’s chief financial officer Eric Brown.
During the Goldman Sachs Technology and Internet conference Brown doubted the need for new hardware anytime soon as they wouldn’t be able to bring anything new to the market; or at least nothing that would convince owners of the two most powerful HD consoles to upgrade.
Arguing that previous console cycles were driven by a combination of CPUs & GPUs which aimed at better resolution for games, Brown stated:
Today we have two of the three consoles that operate in full high-definition and are running games at 60 frames-per-second. If you step back and say if it’s a multi-billion capital dollar investment for the next generation, the question I would ask is if you were to produce that then what would you display it on? There’s really nothing in terms of broadly available consumer viewing technology other than 1080p flat panel televisions and so you could upgrade in theory but you wouldn’t get the obvious graphical benefit that we saw really drove the sharp transitions in the prior cycle.
He doesn’t say that the current cycle has been broken by Microsoft and Sony but that it has effectively been lengthened. With the majority of games now featuring extensive online experiences he argues that consoles are being used a lot more and therefore keeping interest high. This is backed up by the fact that at this point during the last console cycle the average selling price had dropped considerably - ”30% or so”. Comparing this to the current generation Brown said that the average selling prices still remain strong and have seen a drop of only “9-13%”.
With Natal and Sony’s Arc/Gem/Wand/Motion Controller on the horizon as well as Sony’s push of 3D gaming, there does appear to be enough to keep the current consoles alive for some time to come.
In my opinion, the uptake of 3D gaming will provide a good indication of whether or not consumers are looking ahead to future products. If enough people are happy to spend a small fortune (currently) on HD 3D televisions, then surely there will be at least a portion of gamers who would be willing to take the leap to the 8th generation. But, as Brown points out, the development costs for making that leap will run into the billions. At this point in time, is that a cost that any company can afford?
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Mickey2010 | 24/02/2010 14:41
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I Dont want a new playstation or xbox for at least 5 or 6 years
Gastos84 | 24/02/2010 14:51
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I’m not entirely sure i want one either. With Uncharted 2 and soon GoW III, it looks like developers are only just starting to really push the PS3. I no longer have a 360 so I can’t comment there.
Mickey2010 | 24/02/2010 15:07
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I agree i think MGS4,Uncharted 2,GoW3 And Killzone 2 Were/Look beautiful but i still think we aint seen the best from the PS3.I got a 360 and play very rarely but even with new Halo And Alan Wake the 360 looking better graphics wise too
Uhyve | 24/02/2010 22:16
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I dunno, I have a 1080p TV, so if Sony were to release a Playstation 4 with a slightly higher clocked cell processor (since we don’t really need a huge jump in processing power), 2GB of memory, a newer graphics card and a faster blu-ray drive, I would certainly consider it. Mainly since if they stay with nVidia and are still using a cell processor, then there’s a good chance that they would be able to make pretty much all current PS3 games run in 1080p at 60fps… possibly with a bit of anti-aliasing.
No aliasing, faster loading times, 1080p and nice smooth framerates. That’s gotta be an entertaining idea to some people out there.
cc_star | 24/02/2010 14:41
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8th Gen will surely be based around 4K TV’s, 2015 is the year they are expected to make a sales breakthrough into the mainstream
skibadee | 24/02/2010 15:44
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Mitsubishi has unveiled new upscaling technology today, one that will upconvert 1080p Full HD content to 4K2K have you heard of this?
cc_star | 24/02/2010 15:59
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Yup,
2K will be next but I can’t see the point in it,offering twice the resolution of current HD at 3,840 x 2,160 when there is already 4K (7,680 x 4,320).
Broadcast mediums similarly will be leapfrogging 2K and it will probably only exists as an upscaling tech to increase the resolution of HD, therefore anyone buying a 2K set is a bit of a tool.
4K though – I’m interested, seeing how it develops in the coming year is what is stopping me getting onboard the first wave of HD TV’s
skibadee | 24/02/2010 18:29
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good point cc_star.
Uhyve | 24/02/2010 22:19
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At least 2K HD sounds like a nice thought for monitors. Hopefully, buyers of 2K monitors will drive the manufacturing price down for us late adopting prospective 4K TV purchasers.
Kevling | 24/02/2010 15:07
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Not that I’m suggesting we need an 8th gen yet, but just how many games on the current generation of consoles actually offer the 60fps 1080p gaming that he is talking about? There’s definite room for improvement there, and arguing that the TVs won’t change so no need for a new console is ridiculous. We’d all have still been playing Atari 2600′s until a few years ago if that were the case.
flatspikes | 24/02/2010 16:07
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Very good point on the TV technology front, not sure my TV changed much between Master System and Megadrive… and then later to PS1… perhaps I had a widescreen by the time I had a PS2… but it does seem a little absurd to suggest we cannot move forward unless the tv tech does…
Mickey2010 | 24/02/2010 15:11
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Do u think that Apple Will Make a console this gen or next gen?
Crisz | 24/02/2010 15:29
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I hope not!
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Squalje | 24/02/2010 15:35
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It would be nice if they did do a console this generation. More competition is usually good for us consumers and it would be interesting to see what the Apple camp can come up with to try and pry us away from our PS3s etc.
Apnomis | 24/02/2010 16:34
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I’ll be perfectly happy if Sony make good on their promise to have a 10 year lifecycle – by then there should be enough technological advancements to make a kick ass upgrade!
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I consider myself to be quite cutting edge when it comes to home entertainment tech, but when you think how many people don’t even game on a big HDTV yet never mind with a HD 7.1 audio system there is still plenty of room for people to revolutionise their gaming experience without needing a new console! And the motion controllers are yet another way to build on the current gen experience, as are the firmware updates…
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Even today there is some utter crap produced for PS3 and it’s glaring when you compare it to graphical masterclasses like Uncharted 2 and God of War III that don’t require so much as a load screen never mind a compulsory 5GB install – I would like to think that eventually all devs will be capable of making games to this kind of quality, until they can use this console properly why rush to the next one?
cc_star | 24/02/2010 16:53
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To be fair EA game’s don’t need installing either that pool of crappy coding is reserved for the like of Acti & Ubi and others
Apnomis | 24/02/2010 18:51
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I wasn’t referring to EA in particular, I’m just saying that generally there is still plenty of room for games to grow within the current console generation – look how good games on the PS2 started looking after it had already been replaced by the PS3 (e.g. God of War II and Tomb Raider Legend etc).
Uhyve | 24/02/2010 22:23
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I think it’s a bit unfair to say that crappy coding causes the need for installs. We’ve just been spoiled by the likes of Uncharted and Killzone. I mean, in my opinion, Naughty Dog is almost unequaled when it comes to the quality of their games, we can’t expect everyone to keep up with their work. I think it would be more fair to say that developers who need to use installs aren’t amazing when it comes to programming on the PS3.
cc_star | 24/02/2010 23:12
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Visceral are on outside studio and Dead Space must have gone into production very early in the PS3′s life but they managed to pull together one of the most impressive games this gen without any loading screens after the initial one and no installs. The same goes for Criterions huge open world of Burnout Paradise with no linear levels.
It really doesn’t reflect very well on Activision’s & Ubisoft’s studios that in over 3 years since the console’s release (probably 4 or 5 years since they received the specs and a dev kit) that they can’t do now what Visceral & Criterion did then and continue to do.
bunimomike | 24/02/2010 16:51
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Eric Brown speaks the truth. Most of us are in no rush whatsoever and are still dreaming of what MS and Sony do with the current consoles. I wouldn’t want anything for at least three years.