Just recently there seems to be a lot of complaints about Destructoid. Predictably, a lot of it is centred around Jim Sterling who happens to be one of my personal favourite internet video games writers. So here’s my thoughts on the subject, feel free to disagree but know that you’re probably wrong.
Most of the recent furore has been instigated by his Assassin’s Creed II review. He gave the game 4.5 out of 10. That was significantly lower than many of the other professional sources and he got all sorts of abuse from people who thought they knew better. It got personal. People assumed that because he hadn’t re-affirmed their pre-conceptions of how a game should score he was just trying to be difficult. Of course, the tired old “you’re just fishing for hits” accusations were thrown like a shitty nappy at a wire fence. It was amusing to watch people who had little to no experience (and a complete and utter absence of sensible arguments against the many points he raised) writing in his comments section like they knew better.
Now, I haven’t personally played the game in question but I have read several reviews and the feeling I get from all of them (the perfect scores and the average scores as well as Jim’s fairly negative score) is that it’s a promising game that uses a few cheap tricks to string out its longevity and has a couple of problems with polish and control. The perfect scores comment on the negative points and choose to completely gloss over them, the positive scores comment on them but see them as forgivable and Jim found them to be too much to put up with and obviously felt that they ruined the experience for him. I think that, perfect scores aside, that all falls in to the scope of objective appraisal leading to a difference of opinion. Basically it seems to score higher if you’re willing to forgive it a bit more. Which is fine.
There was a whole storm of abuse in the comments of Jim Sterling’s review which ranged from the uninformed and misdirected to the downright ignorant and abusive. In the space of one comment people accused him of purposefully down-marking a big-name game just for hits (which is a favourite accusation of the unintelligent comment-troll) and then criticised his high-scoring review of Modern Warfare 2. Apparently they couldn’t see the irony.
It occurred to me that there were three very important considerations being missed by the people who were criticising him. The first was that before hitting enter on your keyboard maybe you should consider that the guy you’re about to commit libel against might just know more about the subject than you do. He is a professional with many years of experience behind him. You’re not. The second is to give a thought for how eloquently you are putting forth your side of the argument. Shouting and using personal insults might make you feel like the big guy in your bedroom but to everyone with a single ounce of sense you look like a fool. The third and final important consideration that people missed was that perhaps Jim Sterling’s style of writing is flying completely over your head. Maybe you’re missing the jokes?
Of course, he’s had his defenders but the criticisms still come on all his recent stories. People refuse to let it go. Even in the total absence of a coherent argument against anything he said. The argument will rage on with one side shouting repugnant personal abuse and the other side claiming (wrongly, as it happens) that “reviews are just one guy’s opinion”. It seems like the same argument will go on forever.
The only hope we can have is that journalists like Jim Sterling can weather the storm of abuse from the vocal ignoramuses and continue adding a bit of variety to the world of video game writing. The alternative is a procession of PR-led, overly positive games reviews that add nothing to the discussion but one more voice in a choir of compliance. I think that would make for a very boring landscape of video game writing.
nofi | 06/12/2009 15:29
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Reviews are the worst thing that fanboys get their hands on – I was called all kinds of things for the Uncharted 2 review (seriously) and you wouldn’t imagine the abuse I endured for inFamous’ 7. I just hope Jim can rise above the torrent of shit.
TctclMvPhase | 06/12/2009 17:37
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I still dont completely understand the 7 for inFamous, particularly in relation to some of the other games you have scored higher. However, I dont particularly pay attention to scores (and as I have said before would prefer you didnt end reviews with scores) so it doesnt bother me much.
colossalblue | 06/12/2009 17:46
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He was trying to give Uncharted 2 a 4/10 until we sellotaped him to an office chair and gave him dead legs until he agreed to fix it. Because numbers are all that matter to us.
Seriously, as I have said before, I’d rather people ignored the numbers and read the text that takes bloody hours to put together but publishers and punters love their metrics.
CaptainMurdo | 06/12/2009 18:08
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I saw the review before it went live (and Al had changed it). That would have been a more fun review.
nofi | 06/12/2009 18:13
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Yeah. That won’t happen again.
CaptainMurdo | 06/12/2009 18:25
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What? Me seeing it or you changing it?
bunimomike | 06/12/2009 20:18
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You gave inFamous a 7 out of 10? You pathetic motherfu… no wait. That means it’s a really good game. Sounds good to me. I’ll be picking it up in the New Year.
If it didn’t strike the perfect chord with you (9 or 10) then you still recognised that it was top fun and worthy of a purchase. *shrugs* People get so stressed! *hands nofi valium*
skibadee | 07/12/2009 03:57
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7 is not that bad a rating for a game I feel. anything under 5 & I’m careful of buying it straight out.
cc_star | 06/12/2009 16:05
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I wonder why people feel the need to whine and moan about reviews, basically he didn’t like something that loads of people had spent £40 on… so what!
The torrent of shit from people is just incredible just like when TSA found inFAMOUS to be ‘good’ and got a 7, and Uncharted 2 ‘excellent’ game and got a 9. I just don’t understand some commenters, it’s really tiresome.
Uhyve | 06/12/2009 17:04
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Don’t forget the “but 9+8+9 doesn’t give you an average of 10″ Forza 3 craziness.
mayflame | 08/12/2009 02:28
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I didn’t see why you guys gave Forza 3 a 10. It was good but it wasn’t that good.
get2sammyb | 06/12/2009 16:11
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Maybe I’m totally furthering your point in response to this, as I am totally oblivious to the Destructoid debacle. However, if a reviewer is not a fan of a particular genre or franchise, he should not be assigned with the review. Furthermore, scoring low for the sake of being “edgy” is totally unwarranted.
I don’t know what the original review’s bias or criticism was, but taking the scale of 1-10 with 5 being an average, I can whole-heartedly disagree that Assassin’s Creed II is “BELOW average.” And that’s the simple fact – personal opinion or bias aside. If he’s writing a personal critique than he shouldn’t be sticking a score on it; and if he’s trying to inform his readership of the credentials of a game then I can only assume he’s gone into this review with an agenda.
At the end of the day, my response is completely moot but the “let’s score everything really low because we’re a super cool publication” mentality continues to frustrate me, and is seemingly a hallmark of the British writers.
Let’s not forget, we play video games to be entertained in the first place. I’ve just no idea where this bitterness has come from.
cc_star | 06/12/2009 16:28
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Scoring low is really subjective… I get fed up with the 1-10 scale… when in reality the overwhelming majority of sites only use 6-9.
I’ve only played AC2 for about half an hour around my brothers house, and practically all of the negative points in Destructoid’s review had showed themselves… and really irked me, I then began to mistrust the overwhelming majority of reviews which awarded this game a 9 and had barely mentioned most of what Sterling did, instead all the reviews were really bland and didn’t really say anything apart from blow smoke up the arse of yet another AAA title.
I’m still gonna pick AC2 up in a few weeks when it’s about £20, instead of the current £40 and I’ll make my own mind up.
Demibeard | 06/12/2009 16:47
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I’m with you on waiting a couple of weeks for the price to drop. That decision was made before it was released.
davidjmclare | 06/12/2009 16:57
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ill be waiting too. never pay full price!
also have you got a link to the original article? ill google it but just to make certain i get the correct one. cheers
colossalblue | 06/12/2009 17:10
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@davidjmclare: http://www.destructoid.com/review-assassin-s-creed-2-155807.phtml
davidjmclare | 06/12/2009 17:26
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thanks. was a long read lol.
my opinion – he is a good writer and was entertaining to read. 4.5 does sound like a bad score, but when it is put into context (on the site, by you and by comments on the article) its not so bad.
iv not played the game and the review didnt put me off at all.
Thanks for putting it into context though, because most games, as you say, are rated 6 – 9 i would have been shocked by a 4.5 review.
upselo | 06/12/2009 19:02
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I do not have a problem with a reviewer awarding 4,5 to a game. But I would expect the rest of the reviews to be coherent with this scale (which happens to be quite unusual). In that respect, I understand why a poster was comparing the high score of MW 2 to the bad one of AC 2
Manorhowze | 06/12/2009 16:21
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As has been said many times before, reviews are opinions of the people writing them. You may not agree with the score or the points made in the review but that doesnt make your opinion any more or less valid then the reviewers opinion. All games have problems of one kind or another and how much you are willing to forgive these will define the score you give.
I hope that Jim doesnt let the comments get to him. We need people who will say what they think instead of what others want them to say.
djdustb | 06/12/2009 16:38
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Having read the review I think it is a goods well written piece.
The main impression that I get from this though is that he seems to have a preconcieved notion that the game is trying to live up to a set number of gameplay hours, and not that it could be in some cases that he has mentioned just an idea not thought out that well. I doubt the chest not holding much is a planned idea to force you back all the time, but simply an overlooked area.
upselo | 06/12/2009 18:56
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I would say the chest not holding much is very much well thought out (there was a piece about collectables on the escapist mentioning this). It keeps you wanting more. But it is never mandatory (and you get much more form upgrading the villa). So that evens it out for me.
cc_star | 06/12/2009 17:45
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Based on the fact that most gaming sites on a 1-10 scale only actually award 6-9 I wonder if its because they’re scared of no longer getting review copies (or news exclusives)
Taking a look at Metacritic’s gaming section kind of proves that 65-95 is where nearly all the games are, but taking a look at the movie section, see’s most movies rated 40-60 (a bit below average to a bit above average) and that surely has to correct!
Real stinkers get below 10, and comparatively speaking very few movies get 90+
So what is it about the gaming review industry, are most sites in the pockets of the hand that feeds them?
jacklum | 06/12/2009 18:37
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It’s not just games reviews – the music reviews section is even more ‘green’. Movies are judged mainly on artistic merit – the special fx may get praised, but if the direction, script and acting are all substandard, it’ll get slated.
A lot of the time games are judged on technical merit with graphics being the main one – I forget where I saw it, but there was a recent article somewhere that analysed game reviews that gave scores for different categories (graphics, sound, gameplay etc…) – the one that tracked the overall score most closely was graphics and not gameplay, lasting appeal etc… If most reviewers are judging games on technical aspects like this, then it’s less open to differing opinions. It’s much harder to look at a game and judge it based on its originality, artistic merits, how it furthers the medium, what it is about the gameplay that keeps you addicted etc…
Pitcher-T | 06/12/2009 22:51
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The graph you were on about was on TSA about 3 or 4 weeks ago I think.
Also I agree that all reviews shouldn’t have a score pinned to the end as sometimes the awesome writing skills get overlooked.
The amount of times I’ve read a review and noticed they’d overlooked big issues is ridiculous (Tomb Raider anniversary and Tekken 6 to name a few)
hazelam | 06/12/2009 18:01
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well if the review was written with the aim of generating hits on the site it’s certainly working.
aerobes | 06/12/2009 18:13
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Regardless of scores im finding an awful lot of modern games quite simply trying to do too much instead of concentrating upon a core game.
Sometimes i would even rather games didn’t even have a main menu and just thrust you right in to the action.
Most things i read seem to give what i would regard as average somewhere around a 7 so for a few pounds i always try and make up my own mind with a rental.
Call me what you wish but i don’t regard myself as having an odd taste in games but some of the highest scoring games just haven’t given me any feeling of joy and on the other hand i have really enjoyed some apparently below average games.
I often try to avoid the score an just concentrate upon the text, One score i do pay attention too is that of Famitsu where it is made up of 4 different opinions to form a maximum of 40.
jacklum | 06/12/2009 18:27
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Anyone that listens to Destructoid’s podcast knows that Jim Sterling is more than capable of throwing around crude insults. I think he can handle it.
upselo | 06/12/2009 18:52
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Reviews aren’t just one guy’s opinion ?
Anyway, I agree that saying he was looking for hits is a pretty weak argument. But I’m getting (slightly) tired of the line “the marks don’t matter to us, we’d rather you read the text”. Then why not take a bold step and ditch the marks completely ? I would say you would get a lot less people reading unfortunately. But if you want to educate your readers, you may have to step up go the difficult way. The “intelligent” readers will thank you for that.
colossalblue | 06/12/2009 19:00
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if we ditch the numbers most of our readership go elsewhere and the publishers see that we’re not as widely read and stop giving us review code to write about. Then the number of reviews we can do drops drastically and our remaining readership gets fed up waiting for us to raise cash, buy the game ourselves and then take a week or two to write the review and they all go elswhere too.
It’s alright saying we could drop scores or that it would be the “bold” thing to do but it would ultimately make this website a worse experience for the people we do it for. Our readers. We have to think long term and large-scale.
upselo | 06/12/2009 19:07
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I understand your decision. I just deeply regret that most people don’t agree with that and would go elsewhere if there wasn’t any score. Kotaku can afford that, based on the huge readership they probably have. Hopefully you will soon be able to follow
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nofi | 06/12/2009 19:09
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Kotaku reviews, eh? Nice.
colossalblue | 06/12/2009 19:01
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Oh, and no, reviews are not just one guys opinion. That would be “an opinion” reviews have to be an objective appraisal of the positive and negative aspects of a game. Which is why there are reviewers that are respected and there are bloggers, writers, ranters and comment trolls that are ignored. It’s not as easy as just stating your opinion.
upselo | 06/12/2009 19:14
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I’m afraid I still have to disagree with you on that particular point. Firstly because of that “objective” aspect. I don’t believe in objectivity in reviews. We are too influenced by who we are, our experience to truly be objective. And even then, I don’t think it is necessarily the way to go, since gamers are going to enjoy subjectively their games, as evidenced by the “experience”.
). That doesn’t meanin any way I don’t value and respect your reviews.
The second point is that with Internet, more people are well informed and have references to be able to point out the positives and the negatives of a game. Maybe it’s just because I tend to try to express my opinions as carefully as reviews (and maybe failing miserably
jacklum | 06/12/2009 20:37
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‘Objective’ reviews are a myth. You can maybe only objectively review the technically performance of a game, but everything else is open to interpretation and therefore subjective.
jacklum | 06/12/2009 20:39
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oops – I meant ‘technical’
Aitrus | 07/12/2009 11:00
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What the reviewer finds positive or negative about a game will be subjective – and thus the review it self will be biased by the reviewers own opinion. Apparently Jim’s personality found the flaws in AC2 more annoying than most other reviewers’. Sure some things can be objectively described, no matter what you thought about Uncharted 2, calling it ‘ugly’ would just be wrong. But the graphics’ impact on the gameplay experience as a whole is subjective and described according to the reviewers opinion.
mynameisblair | 06/12/2009 19:34
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But 989 doesn’t give you 4.5!
Imagine he had done that.. it could have had great gameplay, graphics and whatever the third one was, but be extremely buggy and not work in other places.
Scores are good, but this is why I use metacritic.
davidjmclare | 06/12/2009 22:50
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metacrtitic is good, but i like to read some reviews cos it might not be the game for me, despite having great reviews. i.e. i love the watchmen games, and hate(d) call of duty (playing classic and having to admit i like it a bit..)
C_S15 | 06/12/2009 19:55
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I just find him to be ridiculously arrogant and misinformed. His complaints on the game are stupid: “He climbs to slow” and yet, making Ezio climb like a superhuman would be ridiculous. If you want to scale buildings like a superhuman, get Prototype.
“The minimap was horrible” and yet, you can remove the supposed clutter within the options menu.
And the animation is hardly that bad. It’s not perfect but it doesn’t distract from the game at all.
The opinion card is so often pulled. But opinions can be wrong or misinformed, so I fail to see why that card is so often pulled. Saying “It’s just an opinion” doesn’t make it right or correct.
bunimomike | 06/12/2009 20:15
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Interesting article, guys.
For me, I’d have to say every TSA review I’ve ever read has subjectivity in it and that’s absolutely fine with me. It’s not spilled over into pure love or hatred and clouded the judgement of each respective review. There’s always the facts; the objective points that need addressing but the passion (negative or positive subjectivity) is extremely important from my point-of-view.
Re: this chaps review. Obviously he thought the game was a bit crap but there we go. He’s in the minority of reviewers and it won’t influence the Metacritic score that much. Equally, a handful of top scores won’t either. Sadly, taking the mean leaves us with the 60 to 90% problem but I usually end up catching an uber-positive review where someone’s gushing, a middle of the road review which is level-headed and respectful, finally grab a piss-poor score to see why it completely narked someone off. If one of those reviews strikes a chord with you then that’s probably the one to listen to.
Roynaldo | 06/12/2009 20:42
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Il be honest (as usual), up until I joined TSAs community I did look more at numbers than text to judge games with. But with TSAs staff being very outspoken and mostly up for a good debate I have in the past year learned a lot about what it takes to do reviews and ’seen the light’ in respect to ignoring scores to a certain extent and concentrating more on the words/work put into writing it.
However, in my humble opinion, anything that gets less than a 5 has really got to be an awful game and one that better have some very damning words to go with it, not only that but there also be a general concensus that he/she is right in what he/she says.
In this case I assume that he is an army of one in his opinion, which has resulted in him being given a torrent of abuse for being seemingly without great knowledge of games and has specifically not attempted to see what is good and only concentrated on what is bad, maybe not even giving the game a chance to shine before making proper judgment, I dont know.
For the record, I have the game (since Friday) and have become addicted to it. It isnt without its faults though, graphically not the greatest and the controls can occasionally be frustrating, but it still screams at me to play it. It is worthy of at least a 7 or maybe an 8 purely for its addictive nature and vastness (if thats a word).
At the end of it all, we all have an opinion, we all love games that others hate, BUT if its your job you should at least try to find the good points in a game before slating the hell out of it even if its not your cup of tea.
tyrant161 | 06/12/2009 22:21
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I have to agree withRoynaldo, I for instance bought the PSN game Pain based on the reviews, and in my opinion it’s absolute pants, i would give it 1/10 (and i know i’m in the minority on that) yet games reviews gave it an average of around 7/10. Needless to say that the game has been deleted from my hard drive. The games score only gives the opinion of the reviewers that write them. I think assasins creed 2 deserves a score of 8/10 and uncharted 2 a score of 9/10. Reviews do still help me make my mind up on what games i buy to some extent though.