The Halo: Master Chief Collection Has A 20gb Day One Update

343 Industries, developers of the revamped Halo: Master Chief Collection, have defended the massive 20gb day one content patch for the game, saying it “simply wasn’t practical” to put the title on two disks.

“The game is designed to run as a single, unified product, digital is seamless obviously, but we also wanted disc users to have the same experience, without swapping discs,” explained Halo franchise development director Frank O’Connor. “Since the bulk of it is MP or MP related, the logic is sound. There will ALSO be a TU in there, but that in itself is a tiny fraction of the content.”

“We realize that this isn’t ideal for everyone, but it’s the path to the smoothest eventual experience,” he added.

Now maybe I’m being a bit thick here, but why couldn’t you install a first disc of multiplayer content, and when that’s done, swap out for for the campaign disc and leave that in the drive? You could live with just one disc swap to install the game, couldn’t you?

Frank appears to hint that that single disc move may have been a marketing decision rather than a development decision, saying the 20gb download was the “option” that made most sense at the present time.

“It simply wasn’t practical for this product, this year in this timeline,” he said. “The Xbox One platform continues to improve and mature, arguably faster and more meaningfully than others and maybe next year two discs or some other method would have been the right approach, but this year it’s the option we have available that on balance, makes the most sense for this giant, ambitious project.”

Source: NeoGaf 1/2

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30 Comments

  1. Frank O’Conner, King of bullsh*t mountain.

    In what universe is a 20Gb download more practical than a second disk that is only needed for the installation?

    Also “The Xbox One platform continues to improve and mature, arguably faster and more meaningfully than others” – Yeah, good luck making that argument.

    • Unless your broadband is faster than 216mbits/sec (xbox bluray drive speed) then there is no advantage. Even then the hard drive is limited to 300mbits/sec read so you wouldn’t get much more of an advantage over gigabit pipes.

      Yeah, put another disc in the box you tight-fisted buffoons.

  2. It’s because they didn’t want people laughing at how it had to come on 2 discs. Instead now they’re laughing at the 20gb install. Ludicrous.

    • Why would people be laughing if it was on 2 discs? Surely it shows how much everything’s being upgraded etc?

      • People would laugh because it’s not the norm.

    • Well, four games on two discs doesn’t strike me as odd. A 20GB download however…

  3. 20gb isn’t as bad as it sounds as data downloads very quickly from live, however its clearly just to save a little manufacturing cost (which I can’t imagine is much anyway).

    • What about the millions of people that have a monthly download limit that is considerably lower than that, then have to pay for every extra gig downloaded? It is that bad, prohibitively bad for literally millions of people.

      • If you’ve got a limit then a next gen console is probably not for you. Games are regularly getting patches of several gb. The xboxone does have a data counter, I used 85gb in September!

      • The old Don Mattrick response. ‘Then a next gen console is not for you’. You may as well say ‘We’ve got a product for you, it’s called the Xbox 360’.

    • It was the total opposite for me when it came to downloads the xbox one would take an age compared to my PS4 even when it was the same game/dlc on both,i found the xbone to be a much slower experience all round especially installing of games took an age in comparison.

      • I’ve got a vita & ps3 and live has always downloaded about twice as fast as psn, has done for years.

      • I’ve had or owned amongst others 360,PS3,Vita,Xbox One and PS4,the 360 may have been faster with downloads than PS3 but i find the PS4 is quite a bit faster than the PS3 for downloading,i definitely find the PS4 faster than the Xbox One when i’ve downloaded to them.

      • The PS4 is faster at installing than the Xbox (with stock harddrives, from disc), this has been proven. I find download speeds to be very similar, but it’s no secret the PS3 is a sloth due to the rubbish network-card.

    • I find X1 downloads to be slower than PS4, but I don’t have Gold most of the time so that could throttle me? Maybe not?

      I’ve given up playing this on release day now, I’m gonna pop the disc in when I get in on the Tuesday, then go to the Cinema to watch Interstellar.

  4. Does the XBone not do that clever thing the PS4 does and download all that stuff in the background while you’re playing the rest of the game?

    If it does, it probably really is the best option. Start playing the game, a couple of hours later, the rest has downloaded and you can start on the multiplayer side of the game.

    The other option is to wait for 1 disc to install, switch discs, and start playing. Or have it installing in the background and then get told to switch discs at some point.

    Can’t really see what the problem is. Unless you’re internet connection is really rubbish, in which case you’re probably not going to be playing the online part of the games anyway, are you? Or you’ve got some silly limit on how much you’re allowed to download every month (in which case, stop being so cheap)

    • I don’t think it does, fella, but happy to be corrected. Funny how both console manufacturers have so much to learn from each other (and the community) even after all of these years. :-\

    • I know one thing i pop a new disc in the PS4 literally minutes after i can start playing,used to pop a disc in the xbone it would sometimes take upto half an hour often more before i could play.

    • Yes it does, but as Tony pointed, many people are still on capped connections, if you’re buying a game on disc, you kinda expect to have the game on the actual disc and not download half of it.

      • This is quite interesting and kind of like some weird karma for xbox fanboys laughing at driveclub.

        They can of course keep laughing as the solution to their problem is available day one, not drip fed like shit through a sweaty rugby sock as with Driveclub.

        My Name ain’t Keith but I’m still bitter as Lemon. >:-E

    • You can play the campaigns while the update installs.

      • Ah, that’s good to know. It happens in the background like the PS4 does with updates, etc?

  5. yeah, waiting who knows how long for a 20 gig download is infinitely better than installing 20 gigs from a second disc.

    mind you, at the rate the X1 seems to install games, at least the ones i’ve seen, it might actually be quicker to download it.

    still a total pain in the arse if you have download limits.

    let me just run “wasn’t practical” through google translate.
    translate from PR to English.
    result, “would have cost us more money so we decided against it.”

  6. It would have been nice if they’d simply said:

    It means we bump up the production costs and pass that onto you. We didn’t want to do that. Equally, the extra time available allows us to iron out any issues all the way up to release.

    Two genuine benefits for consumers that would’ve had them smiling and thinking “Cheers, 343 Industries”. :-)

    • You should work in PR.

      • Seriously, fella, if they just think things through for a moment then so much shit can be avoided.

        Ubisoft, for example, could have saved themselves so much flack if they’d just engaged their brains before slamming their PR mouth into fifth gear and letting fly with any old shit.

        It’s so strange when you see massive companies slipping up with such rudimentary situations. It reminds me that they’re no better than me (as individuals)… well, not at this malarkey anyway. :-)

  7. It should be possible to pre-order digitally, download all the data, cancel the pre-order with customer service, buy the disc, put it in, play.

    At least that’s what some people are saying on Neogaf.

    Personally I’m going all digitally and have already got the main part of the game, 45GB, installed. Should be pain free.

    But as Mike said above, this is another case of poorly chosen words. It’s allowing the devs to work on the product right up to launch. Instead of having to sit idly for a month, twirling thumbs while discs are being pressed. It’s simply “unfortunate” that the added data is so large. But thankfully you can play four campaigns while you wait.

    • Allowing people to download patches for games regardless of wether they own it would be really useful. If the patch could be made available a day or so before release, even better.

      • If there was nothing nefarious that people could do with the patches, there’s no reason why they couldn’t pop it on the store a couple of days early. That would help with poorer connections.

  8. I like the fact that this year 2 discs doesn’t make sense but it may well do next year. Eh???

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