Official Xbox Magazine has a big feature on EA’s Medal of Honour this month, but they’ve let slip five details about the game ahead of the mag’s release in order to whet your appetite (and get people reading the site, too, I’ll wager). I don’t want to sound like Simon Smartypants (and I still need another coffee yet) but four of the five bullet points sound a little bit familiar to me…
Well,you get the idea – EA are obviously envious of the ridiculous success the Modern Warfare brand carries, and want a bit of that back. The first Medal of Honour was great fun, so I for one glad am that it’s coming back – my thoughts on the latest Call of Duty should be well enough known to regular readers – I’m really not a fan – so let’s hope 2010 brings a little more balance to the FPS genre.
Ta, MUKARKAR.
cc_star | 05/01/2010 08:44
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Nothing could be as bad as MW2, with Bad Company 2 and this EA have a real chance of making their mark with the genre.
ScottW-1976 | 05/01/2010 11:08
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Any chance you could explain the “Nothing could be as bad as MW2″ comment?
cc_star | 05/01/2010 11:22
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Its opening up a can o’ worms but…
Single player (IMO, of course) is dreadful, the story is all over the place and there is zero feeling for the characters you’re randomly flung into controlling. The gameplay although very responsive doesn’t have any ‘weight’ therefore it feels like you’re playing a game, rather than part of some greater experience – which plenty of other FPS titles manage to make you feel, like Killzone2 for example.
Multiplayer was awesome, one of my best online experiences for about two weeks, since then the experience has nosedived.
The game has been exposed to be glitchy as fuck, campers are rewarded, the perks are too strong and are abused rather than used – so the game has so little balance by design its unbelievable. Its flawed to the core and for it to receive so much kudos in front of far more deserving titles is a real shame.
Away from actually playing the game the experience is non-existent in comparison to Halo or Killzone where community features, stat-tracking and comparisons, leaderboards and robust clan systems, challenges and tournaments are the norm
The game has been reduced to only being fun when playing with friends there is so much wrong with it, that if I wasn’t a lazy bugger I’d write a thesis on it.
Mr-Flame-Head | 05/01/2010 11:31
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i agree with cc_star, the wow factor for me ended after a week at that point i returned to playing other games that i found more enthrolling
ScottW-1976 | 05/01/2010 11:35
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Funny isn’t it, didnt enjoy KZ2 at all. Felt more like a technical showcase than a quiality title to me, didnt like the contorls or the “feel” of the game at all. Agree completely with your comments on the campaign, but am still playing MP and loving it. Havent found any issues with campers (killcams, UAV’’s etc see to that) and find the perks balance out quite well and let you play the game how you want. it’s to fast paced and the maps are too small for true team based playing IMHO but that doesn’t bother me as much as I thought it would. Definately wasn’t GOTH though.
cc_star | 05/01/2010 11:46
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Not saying I enjoyed KZ2… but it didn’t feel like I was playing a game, it felt like I was part of something grander. The character interaction, the ‘weight’ and lots of indescribable qualities made the whole experience add up to more than just a game.
Personally I found it too hard, and I didn’t like the fact that you had to fight to gain every single square inch of ground – I prefer my action a little more immediate – but I didn’t click with MW2 because it felt empty by comparison – Think I’ll pin my hopes on BFBC2
ScottW-1976 | 05/01/2010 11:55
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Always think that FPS games have issues with characters and involvement as they need to be more action packed.(Bioshock did it well though). For me its a mood thing, sometimes I fancy carnage and other times I fancy being swept away. Playing a lot of Assasins Creed 2 at the moment and loving the story, characters and immersive qualities of the game. For me, its a better title than MW2 and Unchharted 2. So much more depth whilst still being fun. Still reckon MW2 is an awesome MP experience though, and I’ve been playing MP since the days of Doom/Quake etc.
bajere | 05/01/2010 13:49
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i agree with you cc…
Rob92 | 05/01/2010 16:33
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COD has to be one of the most frustrating and harsh games I’ve ever played. I mean campers just stay in one place (as campers do) and watch the kills come rolling in, whilst people who actually move get struck down in what seems like 2 shots.
I’m not the best player on COD, I’ll acknowledge that, but getting helicopters and such on COD4 was fairly frequent, getting one on this game is as rare as a new moon. Thank god for care packages.
pawski | 05/01/2010 12:23
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mp needs to be more team-based, and have vehicles in it, and little com-stations to destroy, and bigger levels, and four classes to choose from, and tickets. So basically, BF:BC2 for me.
ScottW-1976 | 05/01/2010 15:38
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Seems a shame that your MP requirements are so specific, you’re closing yourself off to a whole world of fun outside of BC2 if thats the case. Each to there own though eh.
pawski | 05/01/2010 17:51
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but did you play the beta???? it was AMAZING. just saying its the best mp experience i have had on ps3. mw2 is great though, i don’t hate it like most on this page…
ShovellyJoe | 05/01/2010 08:56
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I loved the sarcastic “loved that bit” bits. Loved that bit.
Aitrus | 05/01/2010 09:06
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I loved that bit too.
scavenga | 05/01/2010 14:06
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I bit that “loved that “Loved that bit” too”-bit!
Love it to bits!
BrendanCalls | 05/01/2010 09:26
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Bit unnecessarily harsh on COD here boss!!
Tuffcub | 05/01/2010 09:28
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Not really its utter shit and just thinking about it makes me want to KILL KITTENS it’s so damn bad.
ShovellyJoe | 05/01/2010 09:28
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That’s 3… Is this the opinion of the majority of TSA staff?
cc_star | 05/01/2010 09:36
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Cb doesn’t like it either so thats 4
Maggot666PL | 05/01/2010 09:40
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Not only staff, ShovellyJoe…
double-o-dave | 05/01/2010 09:59
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Agreed, I hate MW2 but I wouldn’t mind trading the airport level for a sanctuary filled with kittens (Can’t decide which I hate more, MW2 or cats)!
Bring on BC2!
ScottW-1976 | 05/01/2010 11:17
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Would be interested in further understanding the “Utter Shit” and “I hate MW2″ comments, I’m not a COD fanboy but do enjoy MP a lot. What do you dislike so much?
Bilbo_bobbins | 05/01/2010 12:22
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I think the gameboyism on TSA is becoming a bit much IMO. I know you guys don’t like it, but you can’t get away from the fact ALOT of people do like it and it shows from the sales figures. I personally think it’s better than COD4, you just need to play it alot to find the ways of beating campers/noobtubers and more. to me KZ2 was good, but it was over rated and got very boring very quickly, the DLC was terrible and nothing else has been added since it came out.
andytorr | 05/01/2010 14:05
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@Bilbo_bobbins – I’m afraid a large majority of those sales figures just show how successful the first Modern Warfare was, and how so many people wanted more. I was one of those people. I hate MW2.
CaptainMurdo | 05/01/2010 14:13
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I like it.
Colinbarr66 | 05/01/2010 14:16
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I play it with friends but don’t really like it. Single player was a huge disappointment.
ScottW-1976 | 05/01/2010 15:40
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“@Bilbo_bobbins – I’m afraid a large majority of those sales figures just show how successful the first Modern Warfare was, and how so many people wanted more. I was one of those people. I hate MW2.”
Another “i hate MW2″ comment without any reason given. Come on guys, at least say why..
skibadee | 05/01/2010 16:16
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I like it too might have been a bit short on the single player aspect but still a good game.
djdustb | 05/01/2010 10:18
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I agree, I seem to be one of the few that liked the game.
bajere | 05/01/2010 13:51
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it just didnt scream great game to me…iv been playing the BC2 beta and i found it alot better
bunimomike | 05/01/2010 09:30
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Driving games. You will often negotiate a series of bends and straights to reach the checkpoint or finishing line. You may well be able to drive from a multitude of camera angles and can often fit-out your chosen vehicle to make it personal. Damage may well show but might not impede your car’s performance.
When it comes down to it, I’ve nailed most driving games within a few lines. It’s how they make it into their own title that counts. MoH might be a shockingly bad clone but, fingers crossed, we’ll see them make it their own and give people a respectable alternative to MW2 (much like Bad Company 2 is hopefully going to do).
Remain positive… remain positive… remain positive.
Maggot666PL | 05/01/2010 09:44
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Don’t you dare pick on the driving games. The sole variety of auto racing types is enough to provide for loads of completely different games. Your description fits the likes of Outrun better than RBR or some good sims. It’s like saying “all modern games have 3D objects rendered in real time and player is required to do something”.
bunimomike | 05/01/2010 09:55
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I’ll pick on whatever genre I fancy and I wasn’t even doing that! I enjoy driving games but was trying to highlight that every genre has core fundamentals that will be undoubtedly similar. Nofi is right to point out the worrying similarities of COD and MoH as they both used to be very similar (and equally good, I might add), however, I’m guessing the current worry is that it’ll just be an MW2 clone which will garner little respect or sales when compared to the Activision juggernaut.
What I was trying to highlight was that two different grand prix (driving) games might technically sound very similar but the style/handling/development of each respective title might leave them feeling completely different to each other (ignoring the obvious cross-over).
ScottW-1976 | 05/01/2010 11:14
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Hopefully a new MOH will push IW to do more with the next COD title and make a game worthy of GOTY. (Sorry about all the acronyms, lazy typist)
double-o-dave | 05/01/2010 10:37
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I can’t believe you even dared to pick on driving games!
Pity on you! How do you even sleep at night?!
cc_star | 05/01/2010 10:55
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Every game ever made is exactly the same. Complete a series of objectives to reach a goal,
In the same way that every single job is the same; do some repetitive shit and get paid or every single day is the same, wake up do some repetitive shit, get paid, try to do something you like and go sleep.
The magic happens with what you do within those parameters.
ScottW-1976 | 05/01/2010 11:41
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“In the same way that every single job is the same; do some repetitive shit and get paid or every single day is the same, wake up do some repetitive shit, get paid, try to do something you like and go sleep”
Prozac anyone?
Fordiddy | 05/01/2010 09:30
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‘The first Medal of Honour was great fun’
wasnt it made by the infinity ward team?
Severn2j | 05/01/2010 09:45
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Yes. Who then left to make the Call of Duty series, so technically COD is the clone here..
Bilbo_bobbins | 05/01/2010 12:25
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but if the make the New MOH like the old one “IW” then surely this is the clone of Infinity Wards games? I’m confused.
cc_star | 05/01/2010 12:38
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Which was MoH at the time
O.o
3shirts | 05/01/2010 09:37
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Wow, lot of COD bashing here. It seems to be like the iPhone. Lots of people love it and go on about it but people that don’t like it feel they have to make a point about that too.
I’m gonna be a TRUE renegade and say that I think MW2 is quite good, buit not great… I also don’t mind Marmite
cc_star | 05/01/2010 09:38
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no, the iPhone is all kinds of awesome, as is Marmite
Raen | 05/01/2010 09:43
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Yes, even as someone who doesn’t want an iPhone it is a good phone. If I could use a touch screen keyboard I’d have one.
dirtyhabit | 05/01/2010 09:43
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+1 iphone
-1 Marmite
Anthony72 | 05/01/2010 11:11
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Personnaly hate the Iphone but love the fact it paid for Christmas by getting me a sales bonus from where I work lol
andytorr | 05/01/2010 14:08
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I don’t understand what there is to hate about the iPhone. Will someone please explain?
pawski | 05/01/2010 18:01
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marmite is best on toast.
bunimomike | 05/01/2010 09:43
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Thing is, you’ve touched on a problem we tend to get into. iPhone is undoubtedly the most successful smart-phone ever. Also, it’s competitors are STILL playing catch-up even after all this time. Equally, MW2 is a runaway success in the sales department and people simply can’t help themselves from verbally slamming something that does so very well. It seems to be human nature; bringing the top-dog down a peg or two especially if accolades seem genuinely unwarranted. I haven’t played MW1 or 2 so can’t comment on the games themselves. However, coverage of the titles (in the press) irks me from time-to-time.
teflon | 05/01/2010 11:53
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Just because something is incredibly successful doesn’t make it good.
Transformers 2 anyone?
In terms of technology, the iPhone is one of the most advanced all round devices on the planet. Its far from perfect, I’ll agree, but it’s much better than many of its competitors.
In comparison, MW2 is nothing compared to MW1. Whereas 1 was new fresh and well crafted, MW2’s SP is the equivalent to Transformers 2, big loud and flashy but makes no sense and the AI is crap. The MP is, as far as Im concerned, a slight tweak on MW1, nothing really new there, and nothing really worth the praise its got.
The only good thing its got is the co-op multiplayer, which is pretty well rounded, varied and actually interesting.
I can think of quite a few games that are actually doing new things and trying to differentiate themselves from the main bread winner in the genre. And if MW2 is anything to go by, MW3 is going to take it to the next level, even faster and even more BS.
bunimomike | 05/01/2010 12:38
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So why did MW2 get very good reviews? It sounds like it should’ve been thrashed soundly due to it not offering anything new (give or take a pinch) and being too close to the prequel.
I’ve just taken a quick look on MetaCritic (something I don’t usually try to rely on) and it seems that most of the gaming press simply have it wrong. Did it take a bit of hindsight to truly pigeon-hole this title in the “it’s ok but nothing special” slot? Sure, individual sites can often accidentally get it wrong (TSA officially gave it a 9/10 but nofi plumped for a 4/10 in the additional thoughts) but the entire gaming world? Just thinking out loud, here, without any real answer to it all.
cc_star | 05/01/2010 12:54
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You raised a good point, look at GTAIV
Sure it was a huge technical accomplishment and had more hype than any other game except maybe MW2, but does its huge repetitiveness mean its not actually the best game ever made, which according to metacritic it is.
IMO its pretty far from it, hell its not even the best GTA ever made (that honour of course belongs to VC)
pawski | 05/01/2010 18:02
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san andreas was waaaaay better
BrendanCalls | 05/01/2010 09:46
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agreed, 3 shirts, I think people actually go out of there way just to bash MW2. Why? I don’t like Gravity Crash, but I don’t go out of my way to bash it just because I can
gernboes | 05/01/2010 09:54
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but maybe you would do so if gravity crash won the GOTY on all three platforms and overall? as seen on gametrailers this year… its those “genuinely unwarranted accolades” as bunimomike put it…
BrendanCalls | 05/01/2010 10:00
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I would like to think I wouldn’t but I suppose you can never be certain
nofi | 05/01/2010 10:03
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Last time I checked I was allowed to voice my own opinion on a game. Has that changed?
I didn’t like MW2’s story mode. I fact I thought it was terrible.
cc_star | 05/01/2010 10:12
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Good point BC, I think its mainly because of what gernboes said…
ScottW-1976 | 05/01/2010 12:00
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I think BC is taking issue more with the “Its Utter Shit” brigade, rather than people who give reasoned explanations for disliking certain elements of the game. I think those sort of comments are better suited to somewhere like YouTube rather than TSA. Everyones allowed their opinion, TSA wouldn’t be the same without the variety, but please explain your workings….
freezebug2 | 05/01/2010 21:17
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MW2 is an absolute supreme work by the developers and I do watch in awe when I boot the game. The storyline is an aquired taste on the Single Player but all the same wow what an achievement. Really superb and kudos devs.
seckspest | 05/01/2010 10:02
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I think mw2 is a well made game but too similar to mw1 to be getting all the praise its got.Sometimes too much of a good thing can be bad look at michael mcintyre cant stand the guy now.
cc_star | 05/01/2010 10:15
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Michael Mcintyre is everywhere – on every single panel show going, his jokes have been told a thousand times, and just like Peter Kay about 5 years ago has become tiresome when there are far more people who are equally deserving of success… just like MW2 in that regard.
ScottW-1976 | 05/01/2010 11:12
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Agree about Mr Mcintyre, about as funny as having DVT. Didn’t think much of the campaign in MW2 either, although it did have some WOW moments and looked nice. MP is a different story though, absolutely love it. Huge amount of fun and massively addictive. MAG/BC2 are going to have to be good to drag me away.
cc_star | 05/01/2010 11:26
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Have you played the BC2 beta?
I did – loved it, massively more involved than MW2
If you think of MW2 as outright arcade style fun and Operation Flashpoint as ultra-realist tactical warfare (but a bit on the boring side) then it sits comfortably halfway between as a perfect FPS experience
ScottW-1976 | 05/01/2010 11:30
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Thats what I’m hoping, big fan of BC1 and 1943 (voice chat problems aside) as they allow for a more structured and fun experience with firends etc. For a quick blast though when your just in the mood for killing people MW2 is fantastic.
G_The_Enemy14 | 05/01/2010 19:06
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BC2 Beta was awesome, I love MW2, i loved Cod5 (Waw)! But BC2 is definitely the most realistic and definitely the most challenging, as in you couldn’t run into a room and fluke-ly (is that a word?) kill everyone. And its for that reason why i like it. But i love MW2 because, although it is kinda realistic, it feels more arcade-y. And CoD 5 i loved becuase it was my first proper shooting game on PS3.
ProjectJAY | 05/01/2010 10:33
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whats with all the hate for MW2? i really liked it….
Anthony72 | 05/01/2010 11:15
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Its a marmite game you either love it or hate it. If MOH is any good it could turn into the PES vs FIFA battle of the past 5 years and that is only good news as each game will improve every year to beta the other. Thus making better and better games. I hope MOH is good as I have fond memories of the first one ( though the second one was shite ) and the D-Day landings on the PS2 one were some of the best opening 5 minutes of game time Ive ever played.
Anthony72 | 05/01/2010 11:16
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Still drunk should have been ‘better’ not beta twat.
Fresh191 | 05/01/2010 11:29
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How much more annoying can it be when people just say a game is ’shit’. MW2 might not be for everyone but its hardly just crap or shit.
There was ellements that I didnt like but that can be said for most games.
I know a lot of TSAers love Killzone 2 well the multiplayer in KZ2 is SHIT! Oh look theres that word again. Obviously its not shit but I dont really get on with it like I do MW/2 so that doesnt mean I think its total rubbish.
As for EAs offering it will hopefully be another great variation on the genre just like BFBC2 and MAG (hopefully). I really dont care to say if its gonna be ‘better’ than anything else only that its worth playing and provides some good opertunities for some TSA multiplayer.
cc_star | 05/01/2010 13:11
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Dunno, there’s only one comment who’s said its shit, everyone else has at least quantified their dislike of it.
ScottW-1976 | 05/01/2010 15:45
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I’m assuming you mean qualified, but either way I think the majority of posts actually just say “I hate MW2″ without any reasoning given.
C_S15 | 05/01/2010 13:08
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Hurr hurr, I’m above mw2 cos it’s for yobs hurrrrr
carlosfilippsen | 05/01/2010 13:22
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I’m looking forward to this game. I doubt I’ll stop playing MW2 because of it though.
beeje13 | 05/01/2010 14:35
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Bf: BC and the new MoH multiplayer are both done by DICE, right, so will MoH use the frostbite engine(even if only for multiplayer)?
gazzagb | 05/01/2010 17:17
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Im really looking forward to this. EA know how to make brilliant FPS’s (BF:BC, BF1943 etc) and aslong as they dont have Activions hunger for money, they will make a great game and a fantastic multiplayer.
Btw “in order to whet your appetite”. Whet? Wet!
RFC2007 | 05/01/2010 20:40
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kind of agree with the mw2 hate in the thread, and i found myself going back to cod4 due to this -the ever increasing number of nuke boosters (pathetic), uber campers, the broken spawn system, prestige hackers, magic bullets that go round corners, unbalanced perks (a chopper gunner at 4 kills is ridiculous), and some very poor maps. it was like heaven going back to cod4
freezebug2 | 05/01/2010 20:58
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I followed MOH religiously on PS2 and it really was a good franchise but then it was tried on PS3/pretty shit but at the same sort of time we had COD4/5/6 which was leagues ahead and always will be….shame though. It would be good to see a new MOH that works.