Project Natal, the camera thing for the Xbox 360 that tracks you every movement and lets you ‘interact’ with ‘things’ (hi, Mylo) has ‘dropped a chip’ according to GI this afternoon. The chip, responsible for managing Natal’s ‘bone system’ will be replaced by a software solution to save costs whilst still hopefully maintaining that hallowed 100ms lag. The responsibility for doing whatever the ‘bone system’ chip actually did now falls on one of the 360’s Xenon processors, taking up valuable clock cycles and other technical stuff.
Richard Leadbetter, editor of Digital Foundry said that “the full Natal hardware/sensor combo always looked like an expensive proposition in a market where Microsoft really needs to turn a profit. The notion of offloading the processing to the 360 CPU in the name of lower costs and easier upgradability makes sense. Patching up older games to run with the new hardware now looks rather unlikely unless they have the CPU time to spare.” Sounds like the move has cut costs but limited the scope of the system a little.
deadairspace | 07/01/2010 12:50
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Replacing hardware chip for software solution – heard that one before, PS3 backward compatibility anyone?
3shirts | 07/01/2010 12:55
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Turned out to be a good decision there though. I think I lot of people were suprised by how little they actually felt the desire to play PS2 games once the PS3 actually dropped
cam the man | 07/01/2010 13:45
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I have only played one PS2 game on PS3, just to see what it looked like.
a inferior race | 07/01/2010 14:08
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I still enjoy playing PS2 games. Right now I am playing FFXII. Then I will probably play SOTC and ICO to get in the mood for TLG
Aitrus | 07/01/2010 14:26
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It made sense when the PS3 launched with very few titles, as it opened a library of thousands of playable games. Now it doesn’t make the same sense anymore as the number of PS3 games is ‘adequate’. And Sony had a problem selling enough PS3s for a while because it cost too much and as a feature to drop to cut costs it was a no-brainer.
That said I still play PS2 games from time to time.
3shirts | 07/01/2010 14:58
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The only PS2 game I think I ever played on PS3 was GT4 which I still have and occasionally drop back to when I want to play with a certain car.
ShovellyJoe | 07/01/2010 18:16
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I think I played FIFA 05 on my backward compatible PS3 and the shirts and stuff weren’t even colored properly, just covered with black squares. Never played a PS2 game on it again until my first PS3 broke.
davidjmclare | 08/01/2010 03:37
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PS2 games are too recent to have that retro feel about them and the nostalgia that ps1 games have
Tuffcub | 07/01/2010 12:57
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So Mylo wont be able to have a bone?
Raen | 07/01/2010 12:59
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Nah they’ll just be soft bones. Like jelly.
Tuffcub | 07/01/2010 13:01
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That’s going to upset the paedophiles. *tries to remember where in the world Raen is and if he’s going to know what the slang term boner is and how he’s just made a very amusing comment*
Raen | 07/01/2010 13:11
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Oh I know I was expecting that or a pun on the word up
Kovacs | 07/01/2010 13:01
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Apparently the Xenon processors aren’t maxed out in the first place so, adding a few cycles to them to cater for the missing chip shouldn’t be a big deal.
I still think it’s going to be laggy though. But that’s just me.
Bilbo_bobbins | 07/01/2010 15:36
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Its gonna be a big FAIL ! ha ha
MF6465 | 07/01/2010 13:19
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In MY opinion this is just a massive gimmick which Microsoft will throw millions of dollars into advertising to make it sell, then people will play it for a week and never use it again. This sounds familiar… ah yes the Wii.
Aitrus | 07/01/2010 14:29
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You mean the Wii that has sold as many consoles as X360 and PS3 combined?
bunimomike | 07/01/2010 14:43
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More, I think. It’s hilariously awesome. Equally, they’ve been turning a profit for ages. As much as “serious gamers” take the piss out of the Wii (sometimes)… they’ve got their business model sorted, that’s for sure. MAKE money!
3shirts | 07/01/2010 15:01
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Nintendo were struggling after the Gamecube so they made the (very sensible) decision to go for a less powerful system that would make profit from the outset to help them recoup losses and rebuld the brand. Of the ‘big 3′, theirs is the next gen console I am most interested to see (not counting the Wii HD) as I wonder if they will go for a full on hardcore system or stick to the market they have established
Amphlett | 07/01/2010 13:45
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[giggles]
Apnomis | 07/01/2010 13:57
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Hold on, I thought the whole point of Natal was that it was chip based and couldn’t be done with software? It sounds like they’re having trouble controlling production costs as they try to make the device an impulse sub-£50 purchase rather than the original £110 estimate.
But it begs the question if it’s software based what is to stop Sony developing a version for the PS Eye? (yes I know it has IR and depth sensors too – but GT5 is already rumoured to support full head tracking for example).
Raen | 07/01/2010 14:58
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No it’s the hardware and the software, it can’t be done in just software using a standard webcam, that’s the point. Plus lots of things support head tracking to some extent, it’s the the whole body that’s harder.
hazelam | 07/01/2010 16:01
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sony demoed something like this on ps2 a few years back didn’t they?
simplebob | 07/01/2010 14:12
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Having a look around I can’t see much on what this chip actually was and I can’t see it listed as a major feature anywhere. Not sure how end users will notice that its not there at launch. Sounds like it can be easily covered up by a little clever programming. If its going to make it cheaper, it will mean they can sell to more people
hazelam | 07/01/2010 15:55
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how much processing power is an avatar version of wii sports going to need anyway?
Lorcan | 07/01/2010 22:05
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I suppose it makes sense.
This is clearly going to be marketed to families as the best thing since the.. well.. Wii.
And if the Wii has shown us anything, it’s that nobody cares about the quality of their games as long as it’s got a bit of novelty value!